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    A proposed champs setup: Starship Epiphron

    A while back I hosted an anonymous invitational (called Orangevitational, a name Chloe came up with) that ran one of my all-time favorite setups - Starship Epiphron. SE is a 12p flipless smalltown setup, which would break new ground for the Mafia Championships in a number of ways.

    First off, we have never run a smalltown setup in champs before, which is a huge missed opportunity. By separating role and alignment such that any role can be good or evil, and then making what role everybody has public at the start of the game, we allow more complex role interactions without making "who has what role" a distraction from the social nature of a Mafia game, avoiding the setup becoming a bit of a mess like Mad17 often was.

    Secondarily, it would include a "third party" player for the first time. While I am normally iffy on third party roles in general, the Sympathizer alignment in Starship Epiphron acts more like a lost wolf/traitor, ensuring the player who rands it is engaged with the game instead of disconnected, the usual issue with third parties in competitive environments.

    Thirdly, running Starship Epiphron for Champs would also be the first time we have run a game without a dedicated Mafia chat. While this is certainly unusual in a FM environment (such as those I expect many reading this forum post will come from), many of our participating communities are centered around video or irl Mafia where communication, even at night, is either strictly limited or outright impossible, and will be quick to tell you that you don't need full chat access to be an effective wolf team. Starship Epiphron caters to this style of Mafia gameplay in a way no prior champs setup has.

    Finally, Starship Epiphron forgoes the usual day/night cycle in favor of a time bank mechanic. While this has many benefits I will touch on later, this unique mechanic will enable the players in each game to determine how they wish to allocate their time rather than being forced into a specific EoD time. This makes the concept of getting a majority on board with any vote significantly more important than prior champs setups that operated by plurality (again, something many non-MU communities are accustomed to), and also allows the players to set the tone of their game in ways simply not possible with set day lengths. Of course, this also allows the Mafia to attempt to manipulate the town's time management to their benefit - Orangevitational, for example, was won in no small part because the Mafia helped push the town into using up very little of their allotted time for the first few days, resulting in several mislynches that may have been avoided with slower play.



    So what exactly is this setup?


    12p Flipless Smalltown

    9 Crew Members (Town)
    2 Aliens (Mafia)
    1 Sympathizer (3p Traitor)

    Role Name Description
    Officer Doublevoter
    Cryogenics Alien (Roleblocker + Rolestopper)
    Scientist Parity Cop (1 target per night)
    Security 1-Shot Vigilante
    Coroner Is notified whether a dead player was an alien or not
    Teleporter 2-Shot Bus Driver
    Surveillance Watcher
    Eavesdropper Is informed of who was targeted by Security/Cryo/Trapper/Facilitator/Teleporter
    Communications Each day chooses a player to chat with for the next night phase
    Student Can act at night to take on the role of a dead player (inheriting uses)
    Trapsetter 2-Shot PGO-izer
    Facilitator 2-Shot Empowerer (makes target go first and be immune to death)

    - Everyone's roles are public, but not their alignments
    - Feedback is very minimal - for example, the Transporter is silent to everybody but the Eavesdropper
    - Players do not flip alignment upon death (only Coroner gets that)
    - Aliens cannot communicate passively at any time
    - Each alien can kill non-consecutively, one begins the game on cooldown
    - The Sympathizer must survive to see Aliens win and appears as non-Alien to the Coroner/Scientist
    - Majority vote ends day, otherwise day continues
    - Instead of standardized day lengths, there is a 200-hour limit on total day time
    - If time runs out the Aliens win

    If any of this is still unclear, feel free to read the rules and roles in full at the Orangevitational link above.




    In addition to touching on a bunch of elements of communities that have yet to be properly represented in previous years championship setups, there are a number of other reasons I think Starship Epiphron would make a great champs setup.

    One of the best things about this setup is it is inherently friendlier to less active communities than any of the past few years' setups have been. A 12p game is going to be less crowded than a 15p or larger game, which will result in reduced post volumes overall. This is further bolstered by what is in my opinion the best part of considering this setup for Champs, and that is the 200-hour time limit. See, that number works really well for a community like FoL, but it does not have to be exactly 200 hours for this setup to work! Instead of the multitude of questions asking about what phase lengths people enjoy and what deadline they like, we can simply ask people how active they want their game to be. A simple sliding postcap (limited in terms of posts per prior 24 hours instead of posts per in-game day) could be applied inversely with shortening or lengthening of the countdown timer - you could run a shorter game while allowing players more posts per irl day, or even a much longer game while restricting players to fewer posts per irl day. This can, if executed right, both greatly simplify scheduling and give players the option to play in longer and slower-paced qualifiers than previously possible.

    Starship Epiphron is also much more dynamic than any other champs setup, which will cause each game to be fresh and unique to players and spectators alike. Unlike the oft-maligned bucket strategy, there will be no surefire way to try and game the system in Starship Epiphron, with the fact that any role could be evil lending each and every game its own identity. This also prevents any of the solving from becoming too focused on mechanical actions - any mechanical result you get could have been affected by an evil role at some point in the chain. Thus, this setup is deceptively hard to solve mechanically without a strong social basis at the core, and despite the wide variability the side that plays better during the day is almost always the side that will win.

    Another benefit is that there are a large number of ways to format a tournament around a 12-player setup. Because 12 has so many factors, there are many ways you could set up advancements, including things like running four semifinal games and advancing three players from each to increase total semifinal participation relative to prior years. Or you could run the traditional three semifinals and advance four players from each if that is deemed to be more appropriate. Additionally, game sizes of 12 allow a bit more granular control over the total number of players in the tournament - a 15p setup jumps from needing 150 players to 165 if you want to add another game, while a 12p game allows smaller jumps, such as from 144 to 156. This should reduce the number of unfilled slots left over by allowing us to more finely tune the size of the entire tournament.

    It's also just a really fun setup. I've played and hosted this setup a number of times over the past several years, and not once has there been a major issue raised by any of the involved players. I've seen good towns curbstomp the scum in stunning sweeps, and I've seen good wolves go deep and pull off incredible victories. Although I can't say that everybody that has ever touched the setup has enjoyed it, it is my experience that the vast majority of players from a diverse range of backgrounds have walked away from Starship Epiphron games feeling like the experience was enjoyable and that the better team came out on top.




    To help prove some of these points, I polled the 12 players of Orangevitational after the game had completed as to their thoughts about the setup. Because this was a hand-crafted list of players that I consider to be both good-natured and competitive while including a diverse set of archetypes, I think their opinions of the setup are likely to be reflective of the opinions that an average champs player might hold towards the setup after giving it a try. Here are some of the questions I asked them, as well as their responses. Please note that the player who was mislynched on Day 1 chose not to respond to the survey, as they felt they hadn't followed the game closely enough after their death to comment.










    As can be seen, every single player involved in the game either agreed or strongly agreed with the assessment that the side that played better won, with zero players disagreeing with the factions being well-balanced and the setup being competitive. Additionally, the vast majority of players agreed that the roles were well-balanced, that they enjoyed the setup, and that the outcome of this setup is mostly determined by social reads as opposed to night actions and mechanical information.

    Amongst the players who disagreed with the assessment that the outcome of the setup is mostly determined by social reads, it is in my opinion worth noting that the player who chose to "Strongly Disagree" was also an Alien in the game, and therefore did not actually spend the game trying to solve other players. The vast majority of the town players agreed that social reads were more important than mechanical info to the outcome. Additionally, both players who dissented with this statement strongly agreed that they would play this setup again.

    Both of the two players that disagreed they would play this setup again agreed that the roles and factions were well-balanced and that the outcome of the setup is more dependent on social solving than mechanical solving. This seems to speak to a personal preference rather than to any belief the setup is bad.



    In terms of roadblocks to making this actually viable to be chosen for a Championship setup, the largest two are going to be convincing the MU-centric Champs organizers to run a game with elements that are considered nonstandard on MU despite being very standard in other communities, and actually coding modbot to be able to handle some of the peculiarities of this setup, such as the Bus Driver role and the time bank system. While I do think that it can be sufficiently reasoned that some of the more forign-to-MU elements of Starship Epiphron are good for a Champs setup, I do think that the Modbot element is likely to be the largest hurdle.

    On the bright side, the very limited nature of Starship Epiphron, having only 12 roles with a finite set of predefined interactions, should alleviate some of the larger concern of possible buggy interactions when attempting to incorporate some of the new features this setup requires into our automated game moderation system. Although I do not have a great grasp of how this system currently operates, I do believe that all of the key elements that would be necessary to make this setup work are already present, and do not currently believe there would need to be any excessively major overhauls to make this setup work. Please feel free to correct me if this is not the case.



    In conclusion, this is a tried and tested setup in a wide variety of environments with a wide variety of players that has consistently shown itself to be deep, varied, and deceptively competitive, and I strongly feel it would make a fantastic choice for Season 10, especially after the relatively vanilla setups of Seasons 7 and 8 and straight mountainous (again) for Season 9.
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    Quote Originally Posted by katze (#2)
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    i doubt we would ever run this for champs fwiw

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    I'm going to apologize for this one in advance but I hope you'll all humor me for a little while. This is a champs level game after all and I can't help but try and post in a way to properly honor the occasion. Who knows when I'll be back in this situation again.

    I don't think it's a secret for most of you that my track record in reading Hally has been rather … well … awful thus far in our games. I did have one specific game where I recognized Hally was a villager and confidently (and happily!) let the world know. They flipped wolf. After our Syndicate game together and then Anni (both of which saw me find Hally's eod wolfy and press there) I wanted to make a concentrated effort to finally read that slot correctly.

    I spent some time today combing through recent-ish games this year of Hally's. The wolf game on the Org website, the Vig game over on the Syndicate one, and all sorts of mashes/smaller games through MU as well. Rocks fall, Anni, Homestuck, CoV, etc. You get the picture. All in all there were 16 different games I pulled isos from. I then went and ran through the isos extracting all the day one posts from the first half of the day, labeled them as W or V, and ran them through a bit of a homemade database that would do a few different things for me. One of the things was to make a word cloud which would count the number of times each word was used in these isos and make the word larger the more frequently it was used. For example:





    Anyways, I separated the wolf isos from the villa isos and then removed things like articles (a, the, in, an, etc) as well as player names as those aren't really super relevant to our investigation and cross referenced them to see if anything word usage stood out as alignment indicative in the top 10 most common words. While there were small word choices favored it didn't seem super significant. What WAS significant were two other things:

    One: While specific word choices weren't very telling I did notice a definitely trend of elegance in the wolf isos. The words may change but the idea remained the same. In wolf ISOs Hally had a habit of using larger, more elegant words whereas in the villa ISOs Hally just talked more casually. I'll call these Posts Exceedingly Elegant as we continue.

    Two: Villager isos were much more full of observational posts rather than inquisitive ones. The wolf iso was full of open ended questions requesting elaboration. Not just directly to a specific player but also towards the thread at large asking if it saw what Hally was seeing. Meanwhile the villager iso was full of more pointed statement. It was telling the thread what Hally was seeing and making sure everyone understood. The village iso had a higher frequency – by a significant margin – of Posts Of Observation.


    Again, I really want to get this right so I didn't stop there. Science isn't science until you write it down after all. I went ahead and charted the percentage of posts as a villager and as a wolf for both posts containing an elegant word and posts making observations. It's a bit crude but here's the quick jot down I made to visualize it:





    So I wanted to see how this one was shaping up. Remember, these were all taken from the first half of day one isos which we've made it past here. I went ahead and ran through Hally's iso from this game, plotted the elegance and observational percentages on the chart, and ran the following equation to try and determine the exact percentage chance Hally has at being a wolf:

    (Posts Exceedingly Elegant as a wolf)(Posts Exceedingly Elegant here) + (Posts of Observation as a villager)(Posts of Observation here) = the mathematical chance of Hally being a villager here (do 1-this for wolf obv).

    Which looks something like this:


    (Posts Exceedingly Elegant as a wolf)(Posts Exceedingly Elegant here) + (Posts of Observation as a villager)(Posts of Observation here)

    Or written differently

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    I maintain that "nonstandard" is a relative term and that many elements of this game are perfectly standard... in places other than MU

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#5)
    i doubt we would ever run this for champs fwiw

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    I feel like a lot of the more nonstandard-y roles can probably be replaced with different roles in order to make it less of an issue
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    More seriously, at least run it as a practice game, maybe? Could be run outside of Champs if people like it, even if it doesn't become the Champs setup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezradekezra (#8)
    I feel like a lot of the more nonstandard-y roles can probably be replaced with different roles in order to make it less of an issue
    well part of the issue is you need to make sure any role substitutions still work across both alignments and are of roughly equivalent power to the rest

    that's not as easy to get right as it seems and the set we've landed on has worked really well for years

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    I seem to remember you telling me that anything could be supported by modbot if the need arose

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    yeah guys

    this is a villager right here /s

    he's called me a villager all game and he's only OMGUS'ing me after i've committed to pushing him for doing obviously wolfy things

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    Quote Originally Posted by DkKoba (#14)
    3p bad for competition, hard pass.
    why it's a survivor is beyond me
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    Quote Originally Posted by DkKoba (#14)
    3p bad for competition, hard pass.
    It's "3p" in name only - it's hard-aligned with the scum, it just also needs to survive, which prevents a lot of suicide strats you'd see otherwise that are too effective

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    why it's a survivor is beyond me
    Lots of really broken plays in flipless games if your third maf member doesn't need to live and can just claim something incriminating to go for a multikill
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    Quote Originally Posted by orangeandblack5 (#16)
    Quote Originally Posted by DkKoba (#14)
    3p bad for competition, hard pass.
    It's "3p" in name only - it's hard-aligned with the scum, it just also needs to survive, which prevents a lot of suicide strats you'd see otherwise that are too effective

    Quote Originally Posted by PsychoKang (#15)
    why it's a survivor is beyond me
    Lots of really broken plays in flipless games if your third maf member doesn't need to live and can just claim something incriminating to go for a multikill
    okay how's about this
    if they're executed, they lose, but not if they're killed by wolves

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    I'd be amicable to that adjustment for sure, but for Champs-in-particular I don't think it makes any real difference to advancement and the like

    Plus as mr. orangvitational traitor vulgard will tell you, the added depth from needing to play around the other scum possibly killing you can be engaging in its own way

    So basically if we wanna run it like that for champs I think that's 100% fine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#11)
    8/12 of the roles not supported by Modbot.
    Also one of these was literally added to modbot between me posting this thread and now :P

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    I don't think third parties or flipless have a place in a Champs setup.

    I'm not following how the time bank works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#4807)
    i'm about to make makaze's pronouns was/were

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#20)
    I don't think third parties or flipless have a place in a Champs setup.

    I'm not following how the time bank works.
    As described shortly above, it's a third-party role in name only, it's hard-aligned with the scum. If you want to call it an Alien (Impostor???) instead of third-party nobody will bat an eye - it's just easier for the players to understand why it's green to Parity Cop/Coroner if it's clear it isn't an alien, which we do by calling it "third party" for this setup.

    Also flipless is hardly nonstandard to many places, especially with the Coroner's entire job as a role being providing flip info. So basically, the town will get flip info, but the question is whether or not the Coroner is lying. If you think he is, lynch him and have the Student (backup) take over. If those both are scum, they're severely lacking in other areas as town control the large majority of the active power roles. Either way, if the town have good reads they'll do well, and if they're a mess they'll do poorly. The crutch of the flip is wholly unnecessary.

    Also the time bank is just as it sounds - day ends when a majority is reached, not sooner. If town spends 72 hours on Day 1 before reaching majority, then if their starting time was 200 hours they have 128 left. If they they get the next lynch off in 24 hours, they have 104 left. If this time bank runs out and town have not won, the aliens win.

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    I wouldn't play this setup due to not understanding it and hating flipless. If I'm in the dark until endgame to know if my solve is right, then I'm setting myself up for disappointment. Sorry, orange.
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    [12:09 pm] Cory Curren: remember that we are marking down all of your reads to hold for our personal amusement
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#4807)
    i'm about to make makaze's pronouns was/were

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    well that's no problem because you don't play in champs anyways

    actually tho we should play a game together again sometime, p sure last time you were dead before I subbed in lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by orangeandblack5 (#23)
    well that's no problem because you don't play in champs anyways :)

    actually tho we should play a game together again sometime, p sure last time you were dead before I subbed in lol
    Didn't you sub in to SF Mafia and lose to me as town?
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    [12:09 pm] Cory Curren: remember that we are marking down all of your reads to hold for our personal amusement
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#4807)
    i'm about to make makaze's pronouns was/were

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    Yeah but that was a late sub and I blame Amy who I posthumously sheeped :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by orangeandblack5 (#19)
    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#11)
    8/12 of the roles not supported by Modbot.
    Also one of these was literally added to modbot between me posting this thread and now :P
    Redirectors are being added and that's basically just one step away from a Bus Driver (ie Teleporter)

    so basically we're getting there

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    Hell at 1 a month we're ahead of schedule to make this setup possible by S10

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