if it helps i read the entire thing and appreciate it a lot! your playstyle is one i aspire to a lot so i like reading your thoughts on stuff like this
if it helps i read the entire thing and appreciate it a lot! your playstyle is one i aspire to a lot so i like reading your thoughts on stuff like this
It does, thanks! I wasn't sure if that what was being asked or if I was just going off on irrelevant tangents with walls of text with everyone reading it all
lol
But I'm really glad it's at least interesting/enjoyable to some and makes me feel way less awkward about it
Last edited by Sunbae; June 23rd, 2022 at 02:17 AM.
What are your best strategies for dealing with anxiety?
how do i be as cute as u
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Yo katze
I feel like this might have been a joke post
But also i feel like there's some truth behind every joke and I just got pinged by this
So can you tell me the rationale behind this post?I think my ratio of being right to wrong is actually close to as good as yours, it's just when i'm wrong i'm a lot louder about it
also you are either a wolf or a PR, nowhere in between
There's no inquisitiveness in your posts at all
you are posting to placate rather than to huntOriginally Posted by nutella
I'm just some random person and certainly don't have any good advice/answers for anyone else. I just have ways I've thought about it in an effort to compartmentalize it for myself. I don't know if these *are things* or not, it's just how I've viewed it.
I think I have two types of anxiety I deal with. One is anxiety that pops up when I have things I need to be doing, recognize I need to be doing them, and yet can't get myself to do them. This can be as small as "I need to eat" or "I need to clean the kitchen" but find myself doing something else all day that's irrelevant. It can be as large as "Oh god, XYZ is coming up and I have so many things I need to do to get ready for it but I don't know what or how or which order to do them in". It's like you can't force yourself to do something but you can't enjoy anything else until you do it, so you sit around just progressively getting more anxious about these (often totally irrelevant in the long run) things until suddenly you're just having a really bad day, then you get more flustered that you're having such a bad day now when it would take you no time at all to do these things. I've been trying to improve on this type by just taking a deep breath when I recognize it's happening and remind myself it is not a big deal one way or another at all. The world isn't going to end because I didn't do laundry that day or didn't call whatever place I've been putting off calling or going and doing whatever errands I'm putting off. Often this recognition that it's no biggie one way or another calms me down and then, once calm, it's easier to *do the thing* or *decide I'll do it tomorrow and be ok with it*.
The other type is social anxiety and that's the whole voice in the back of my head telling me over and over again how $%#!ty/disliked/unwanted I am during a ton of interactions with others. That one is the one I've been combating harder over the last few years and have gotten WAY better. As dumb as it sound, the tip I received from someone else for "in the moment" help was to give that voice a name and tell it to shut up. I named it Karen, so in my head sometimes I'll get that "why are you talking nobody cares" thought and just mentally roll my eyes and say "shut up karen" and it's shocking how often it's just taken any seriousness/agency/concern from those thoughts and turned them into annoying snippy comments like when some annoying coworker is telling you how to do things you already know how to do. Or like when someone is backseat driving and you're thinking "omg i know how to drive $%#!ing look at your phone or something". And then once you get out of that moment, it's a lot easier to remind yourself that absolutely nobody is thinking of you close to the amount you think they are. Like when you're in a big crowd and you worry about what others are thinking of you, the answer is "they aren't". So it's easy to just take a deep breath and relax about it instead of letting those thoughts build up until you crumble under their weight.
Also, exercise helps
Look in the mirror
what's the story behind your profile picture?
I can't remember the exact lead up or order of things that happened, but i think the gist was that in the discord we were talking about "tall person energy", which turned into talk about heights, at some point i mentioned im short (at least compared to everyone else talking) and amy mentioned being tall. I think she said "its ok, i can reach things on the top shelf for you" or something like that and then i photoshopped this image of amy a amphraos using her height to help my smoll temmie self reach the apple cherios i wanted on the top shelf.
I meant it as a throwaway goofy meme but then i ended up really liking it and so made it my avatar
Last edited by Sunbae; June 23rd, 2022 at 04:19 PM.
hey! great ama ive been following along and wanted to say so sooner but couldnt because i didnt want people in my ongoing game to realise i was online LOL. anyways just wanted to that you have some really great insight all things mafia related as well outside the game that i find extremely relatable! esp your advice on how to deal with worrying about fixing everything whenever someone had a problem or issue is all round solid advice that took me a while to come to terms with as well!
Glad to hear it!
And grats on your game! I was keeping up with it and thought you did a great job.
please fill out this chart:
https://tiermaker.com/create/joyous-creatures-1461620
do you have any Mafia advice for me, as either or both alignments
Last edited by Arete; June 24th, 2022 at 12:30 AM.
what's something most people you know think is ethically fine that you think is ethically wrong?
what's something that most people you know think is ethically wrong that you think is ethically fine?
I think dark colors just dont work for the joycat. Then theres another series of joycats that i dont even know what they are/mean.
JoyChamp i think is the one i literally made so obviously its S tier
the color pallet for the other two s-tier are perfect
the original is an a
b/c flags are fine but b flag has lighter colors so its higher
rest of them are either too dark or i dont know wtf they even are/where they came from
I'm not sure if you want to know, but from left to right in tier D, there's joy_MU, joy_ace, joy_hydra, joy_nerd (that's me), joy_garlic, joy_mirror, joy_wolf, joycrab, joy_shrimp, joywowee, joy_breadcat, joy_Weezer, joy_joystick, and joy_tree (in the sense of forgetting to submit an action in a mafia game)
Also, I don't think it can be a joycat if its not a damn cat
get these other things out of here. would put them F tier if it existed
the only take that matters is joymu in D tier so the list has been deemed acceptable
I actually did want to know, thanks. I'm now laughing at the idea of getting to post "i swear if the vig joytreed ima be furious" in a game so it can move up to C tierI'm not sure if you want to know, but from left to right in tier D, there's joy_MU, joy_ace, joy_hydra, joy_nerd (that's me), joy_garlic, joy_mirror, joy_wolf, joycrab, joy_shrimp, joywowee, joy_breadcat, joy_Weezer, joy_joystick, and joy_tree (in the sense of forgetting to submit an action in a mafia game)
also joy_joystick loses points for not being joy_stick
@Arete you should tell the original tree story
this is Sunbae's AMA thread, not mine!
Hit me with it :eyes: (if you dont mind)
also this one is b tier
alright
this was a couple years back, so I might mix up a few of the details, but the core of this should be correct
Once upon a time, someone on FoL had the bright idea of running SFoL 63: Triple Threat. The exact details of this setup aren't important, except that it was sort of semi-open-ish, in the sense of there being a list of roles that could exist, with the randing rules for those roles publicly known; if you've ever seen one of the variants of the Town of Salem setup that have been adapted for forum play, imagine something generally along those lines.
At the time when this story takes place, there were two "Blue Dragon" (wolves) left, and one specific wolf role that was confirmed to be in the game. The town had narrowed down the PoE for that wolf role to mechanically include only a small number of players.
Two of these players were Whysper, who was essentially a redirector, and Gorta, who was essentially a vigilante. Importantly, at that point in the game with the existing wolf flips, neither of those actions were fakeable by scum, unless the vigilante cross-killed with the scum nightkill target. Town came up with a foolproof plan: Gorta would shoot Whysper, and Whysper would redirect Gorta's night action onto Alice, another slot in the mechanical PoE (and, as it happened, the actual wolf role that they were looking for). Everyone agrees to follow the plan.
The plan was mechanically flawless. So they quickhammer another player, and all go to sleep.
As a note, this game had 48/24 phases.
At this point I'm sitting in informed spec chat along with several other players. We're generally commiserating about how we think the living Blue Dragon is really playing better than the Town, and just got really unlucky with the other multiball scum faction kind of immediately all dying, and generally expressing sympathy for the position of being in a mechanical lock. Someone points out that technically the town has to all follow the plan, but obviously they will, right? Except, as the hours pass, the hosts periodically report that Gorta still hasn't submitted his action. Finally, the night action deadline comes and goes; Gorta does show up, after that, and try to submit an action, but with the deadline having long since passed it's not counted.
Day breaks, and our hero posts the following explanation:
Town, unsurprisingly, is skeptical:
You know, I knew he was going to say this…Finally, we get the message that codified 'tree' as a verb:
From there, the outcome is pretty unsurprising. Gorta is assumed to be outed, is executed, and flips town. The next day, Alice is literally outed as one of the remaining evils, and is openwolfing, but for some reason, rather than executing her, town decides to execute Seth, a modified vengeful that automatically kills the first voter; they initially try to force Leafia (the other non-Alice wolf) to be the first voter, but for some reason after Leafia refuses they manage to talk themselves into just letting the vengeful shot hit Whysper; Surge is executed, Whysper dies, and wolves get enough kills in the night to win.
(for the record, Gorta has expressed general fine-ness with 'tree' as a meme/slang term, it's not mean or anything)
Last edited by Arete; June 24th, 2022 at 01:57 AM.
I think the main thing I'd note is that sometimes you'll make these really good observations and then just kind of, throw them away/not do anything with them/back off them/defer to others in a way that makes you lose some win equity those observations brought you. I'll make a few examples and hope they come off as constructive.
In your Swag City game, you made a really great observation on the game state that pointed towards one of the main suspects not being likely to be the last wolf.
This is an absolutely wonderful and astute pick up that comes from a big picture view of everything that's happened. Regardless of the postings going on, with this description, that person just isn't going to be a wolf. You've recognized that in the world where they are a wolf, the wolf actions don't line up whatsoever (and you know the players involved aren't going to be punting with terrible night actions).
Once you make it, you need to trust it. You even build on it:
You are, again, exactly correct for correct reasons. But at the last moment:
I know how that feeling is. You just * know * that the game does not make sense if thing A is true, but everyone else isn't so sure and the game seems * so hard * if thing A is false, so you close your eyes and hope it's just true. Those are the critical moments you have to just say “no, this is wrong and it's a critically needed chop for the wolves and I will fight against it even if it means the game is really hard”. Because sometimes the game is really hard and the only way to win it is to have * somebody * willing to stand their ground on good observations.
In team mafia you are * so close * to absolutely incredible gamestate reads. You not only call out silverkeith throughout the day but you also see entirely through a post I make trying to make SK out to be a villager. I make the argument that him applying pressure to me on day 1 for “bussing” nic cage when nic flips villager means he wasn't trying to piggyback off of a flip to make us look bad or anything, wasn't trying to defend the wagon cause he was pushing it too, and so he's probably a villager. You flat out call it out as exactly what it is:
This is, to the letter, exactly what the posts were doing. It's “distancing” that doesn't ever actually get to the point where we have to do anything about it from SK's end. It's an entirely w/w interaction on both ends and clears like 3 villagers. I vividly recall reading this post and thinking “fuuuuuuck” because I think I've tied myself to SK way harder than I meant to.
Meanwhile, the thread is focused on burying a villa jailkeeper claim. I get it, it makes sense, but you make a second really great observation down the stretch:
With your feelings on SK, us, Eva, and Duke, you're able to recognize that “if Duke is a wolf he's outed, yet there's no bussing”. It's so close to just recognizing that Duke isn't the best vote today (so unlikely to be a wolf with that game state if those thoughts are correct) and you even say the team thinks maybe the town should have voted Yolo/SK slot instead. In this example you've recognized a likely wolf, what they were doing, tied them to another good wolf, and started having the “wait, something is off here” wheels start turning. But again, you * know * things don't make sense if A is true (if duk3 is a wolf, he's outed, yet there's no bussing?) but everyone else seems so sure A is true and it's going to be * so hard * to do anything about it if it's false so you just roll with it. Sometimes though, the easy thing is wrong again.
I don't wanna like, go too deep on it with many more games or anything and pile on it, but I hope these examples show what I mean about your great observations and my advice is “when you recognize that something doesn't make sense, even if it's hard, stick to it. Your observational skills and your understanding of more macro game state reads are top notch and potentially game swinging, and you need to trust yourself on them and stick up for them more instead of just hoping you live in the easy world”.
LMFAO that one is a great storyalright
this was a couple years back, so I might mix up a few of the details, but the core of this should be correct
Once upon a time, someone on FoL had the bright idea of running SFoL 63: Triple Threat. The exact details of this setup aren't important, except that it was sort of semi-open-ish, in the sense of there being a list of roles that could exist, with the randing rules for those roles publicly known; if you've ever seen one of the variants of the Town of Salem setup that have been adapted for forum play, imagine something generally along those lines.
At the time when this story takes place, there were two "Blue Dragon" (wolves) left, and one specific wolf role that was confirmed to be in the game. The town had narrowed down the PoE for that wolf role to mechanically include only a small number of players.
Two of these players were Whysper, who was essentially a redirector, and Gorta, who was essentially a vigilante. Importantly, at that point in the game with the existing wolf flips, neither of those actions were fakeable by scum, unless the vigilante cross-killed with the scum nightkill target. Town came up with a foolproof plan: Gorta would shoot Whysper, and Whysper would redirect Gorta's night action onto Alice, another slot in the mechanical PoE (and, as it happened, the actual wolf role that they were looking for). Everyone agrees to follow the plan.
The plan was mechanically flawless. So they quickhammer another player, and all go to sleep.
As a note, this game had 48/24 phases.
At this point I'm sitting in informed spec chat along with several other players. We're generally commiserating about how we think the living Blue Dragon is really playing better than the Town, and just got really unlucky with the other multiball scum faction kind of immediately all dying, and generally expressing sympathy for the position of being in a mechanical lock. Someone points out that technically the town has to all follow the plan, but obviously they will, right? Except, as the hours pass, the hosts periodically report that Gorta still hasn't submitted his action. Finally, the night action deadline comes and goes; Gorta does show up, after that, and try to submit an action, but with the deadline having long since passed it's not counted.
Day breaks, and our hero posts the following explanation:
Town, unsurprisingly, is skeptical:
You know, I knew he was going to say this…Finally, we get the message that codified 'tree' as a verb:
From there, the outcome is pretty unsurprising. Gorta is assumed to be outed, is executed, and flips town. The next day, Alice is literally outed as one of the remaining evils, and is openwolfing, but for some reason, rather than executing her, town decides to execute Seth, a modified vengeful that automatically kills the first voter; they initially try to force Leafia (the other non-Alice wolf) to be the first voter, but for some reason after Leafia refuses they manage to talk themselves into just letting the vengeful shot hit Whysper; Surge is executed, Whysper dies, and wolves get enough kills in the night to win.
(for the record, Gorta has expressed general fine-ness with 'tree' as a meme/slang term, it's not mean or anything)
"do you have any Mafia advice for me, as either or both alignments"
i'd actually be fascinated with your answer to this question for me too, if thats okay?
also, when are you hosting that zelda mash/next game?
what are your top 5 favourite songs (at least one has to be non-metric)
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Yo katze
I feel like this might have been a joke post
But also i feel like there's some truth behind every joke and I just got pinged by this
So can you tell me the rationale behind this post?I think my ratio of being right to wrong is actually close to as good as yours, it's just when i'm wrong i'm a lot louder about it
also you are either a wolf or a PR, nowhere in between
There's no inquisitiveness in your posts at all
you are posting to placate rather than to hunt
i'd also be fascinated with their answer to this for me tbh, sunbae is someone i look up to and also talking mafia is kinda fun sometimes since its the pros of playing mafia without the cons of playing mafia (playing mafia)
also because i want sunbae to talk more
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Yo katze
I feel like this might have been a joke post
But also i feel like there's some truth behind every joke and I just got pinged by this
So can you tell me the rationale behind this post?I think my ratio of being right to wrong is actually close to as good as yours, it's just when i'm wrong i'm a lot louder about it
also you are either a wolf or a PR, nowhere in between
There's no inquisitiveness in your posts at all
you are posting to placate rather than to hunt
How short is short?
Also what age bracket are you in? Something I've never thought about before now
Best story about getting drunk(if any)?
One you are willing to share ofc
Im not really sure, nothing jumps out.
I guess I know a lot of people who think it's right to cheat on taxes and that those who do so are just smarter than everyone else. I think it's $%#!ed up cause that's where the money for schooling and infrastructure and communal spaces in the place I live comes from. I want my city, state, country to be able to pay for $%#! to make things better. I have no issues paying mine every year and every time I drive by some construction making new roads, a library, or other things that make my area better I know it was worth it. (actual usage of funding and allocation is a totally different topic that I refuse to get into, but the act of paying taxes itself is what im talking about).
I know I've worked at a few places long term and I have lied in every single application and job interview I've ever done. People may think that's wrong but if they are basing pay on wanting to give me an increase then guess what, I am saying I made more at my current place than I really did. I'll also hype myself up with exaggerations and outright lies of responsibilities at previous places to suit what the new job is looking for. They'll train me and I'll pick up on anything I might not have actually known in time. I've never had a single problem once hired and I know for a fact some of those things I made up are reasons I was hired before.
I don't really have much advice for you on the werewolf front. You're someone I go to for help and don't think I can offer much in return in specific improvements. You recently bested me in the Org game and in that game I thought you played really well. I think you correctly identified some pushable villagers and just refused to let them happen, you voted correctly at the end of the game, and you positioned yourself well so that the vig shot me over you. In Rocks Fall you correctly identified that I was being $%#! as a villager and refused to policy me even though you wanted to but your reasons for finding me to be a villager were really good and you were able to sort through the bull$%#! well. Cog Psy you got chopped but like, the game had multiple dead villagers telling people not to do it (including at least one that was ableto dead post and said so) and if the village refuses thats not really on you. There's just nothing that really jumps out at me to say "oh yeah, do that differently."
It's so hard for me to run a big mash here because you have to lock it in weeks and weeks and weeks in advance. My schedules rather erratic and if I ever have a week to $%#! around and run a werewolf game I don't know it in far enough advance to run it. I'd like to run my Danganronpa game (its the one fully designed at this point) sometime but I just don't know when it'll be.
Top 5 favorite songs is hard. It varies so much on mood, what im looking for, what ive listened to recently, etc. I'll instead grab my top 5 listened to songs not including metric from my account:
5.
4.
3.
2.
You are literally the champion of mafia lmaoi'd also be fascinated with their answer to this for me tbh, sunbae is someone i look up to and also talking mafia is kinda fun sometimes since its the pros of playing mafia without the cons of playing mafia (playing mafia)
also because i want sunbae to talk more
You have also bested me in like, every game we've played against each other where i was playing the whole game that i can remember
You've, on your own, pulled back from the main thing I would have said last year which was chill out on the FPS stuff.
Chatting about mafia is really fun for those reasons you said (my old site used to chat about games all the time and what we were doing/how it went down and people would get better and better. feel like thats the one thing i miss from there compared to here cause it rarely happens here).
I went to play some horse at the local gym the other day and lebron james came over to ask me if i had any advice on his jumper
well, not really but the werewolf equivalent just happened ()
between 5 9 and a half and 5 10 and a half depending on how much im slouching
in the 27-35 age bracket
no real good drunk stories. just standard goofy "had fun with friends responsibly and sometimes irresponsibly but nothing overly interesting" hang outs a lot
i lived about 50 yards from a steak n shake in college so we'd have many nights of stumbling over there at 2am for fries and shakes and having someone falling asleep at the table before we were done
To those that asked about mafia stuff towards their game, if i find time/energy i might do something for you like i did for arete with specific examples but the difference is the arete one was in my head already (due to part of it directly involving me) and nothing jumps to mind for both of you so i'd have to like, actually dig through games and meeeh right now.
I have no problems with more questions on my own stuff cause i can top of the head a good chunk of that pretty freely
now a BAD drunk story is the time that we ran out of beer but were in a tight series of beer pong so we said $%#! it, we have jamesonno real good drunk stories. just standard goofy "had fun with friends responsibly and sometimes irresponsibly but nothing overly interesting" hang outs a lot
i lived about 50 yards from a steak n shake in college so we'd have many nights of stumbling over there at 2am for fries and shakes and having someone falling asleep at the table before we were done
jameson pong did not go well and i haven't had any since
Wasnt me drunk but we did get a knock on our door at like 1 am one night and opened it to some drunk guy asking if we had limes
I said yeah sure heres a few and he turns around, raises his hands in the air, and yells over the balcony "they have limes!" and you heard this entire crowd of people just roar their approval and start cheering "LIMES LIMES LIMES" from a few doors over and down a couple levels. So my roommates and I from then on chanted "LIMES LIMES LIMES" whenever someone brought limes home from the store
The first time I got drunk in a public place I was underage and my roommates took me to a bar in the middle of nowhere that didn't give a $%#!. It was super small and super dead, and the owner/bartender was this guy from Nigeria who was incredibly friendly and had the worst array of jokes I've ever heard (in the best way). For example: "Do your socks have holes in them" -> Me: ??? no? -> "Then how did you get your feet in them?" and then he'd give this big $%#! eating grin and then let out a giant booming laugh. Was impossible not to just laugh along with him cause he was so happy about it.
Also introduced me to Xingu which is a nice beer from brazil so thats nice
LmaoWasnt me drunk but we did get a knock on our door at like 1 am one night and opened it to some drunk guy asking if we had limes
I said yeah sure heres a few and he turns around, raises his hands in the air, and yells over the balcony "they have limes!" and you heard this entire crowd of people just roar their approval and start cheering "LIMES LIMES LIMES" from a few doors over and down a couple levels. So my roommates and I from then on chanted "LIMES LIMES LIMES" whenever someone brought limes home from the store
Fav sport to follow? To play?
Any sport you wished you picked up when you were young but never did?
Baseball. Baseball.
Love baseball. I used to have mlb channel on 24/7 during the season. Didn't care who was playing, highlights or live, discussions of it, whatever. Just love baseball. I find it so relaxing to listen to/watch. Crack of the bat, smell of peanuts and fresh cut grass if its live, plenty of time between pitches so you're not constantly on edge. I find it so interesting to keep track of too with all the stats to sort through.
I used to think I wish I was allowed to play football. My mom and dad basically told me "we'd love for you to play baseball, we'll tolerate soccer or hockey even though it can be dangerous with head injuries, but absolutely no on football because of concussion concerns" when I was getting to the age of doing sports. And I'd sit there thinking "thats not fair, we watch football and it'll be so fun!" but I eventually just chose baseball. Looking back on it, it was A+ parenting because I know multiple people my age that have issues with injuries from concussions playing football and the worst that I deal with is a slightly sore shoulder that sometimes gives out on me if I'm doing things like pushups.
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