there was one night kill last night. So the other must have gotten blocked by town in some way.
there was one night kill last night. So the other must have gotten blocked by town in some way.
I'm kind of at my end with you Vivax.
You post that Mac is protecting wolf cubs and then there's no follow up. You say that Penguin is open wolfing and don't post anything about it. You post about Fairy being pro-town and then post something about not want to be on the same wagon as fairy.
I haven't seen any read that makes me think you truly believe it, yet you express them all very strongly. I've gotten the sense that you've been trying to pocket a few players, and I think it's time for you to go.
People seem to like macrophilic nonsequitor scraps. Have another.
Jessa ran. Down the fire escape, heels clacking along the iron surface as she ran down the external stairs. Bell just laughed, her boistorous tone buffeting the building as her supersized stockings slid closer, crushing the nearby houses beneath the humongous hosiery. Jessa still had 20 floors to go as the colossal cloth crashed into the soon to be rubble. The girl was instantly swept up in her much, much bigger rival's sweeping sole...and was never seen again.
These witches really do just keep embiggening townsfolk to do their work for them, huh?
He has been active and talking to people but not having a single read until specifically prompted by penguin once. I don't know how to townread that. Is there any reason why you think he would be town?I think that everyone was somewhat lost yesterday. The game felt very confusing. But that could be due to the fact that I was spending more time working on newspaper articles than checking the game. I'd like to see how Kajot comes across today but, right now, I would say that she seems rather nullish.Nah I just go with PoE, my scumreads are generally terrible. I have a bad gut feeling about Kajot, she seemed somewhat lost yesterday, that didn't seem like town her.
What do you think about her?
Why are you reading cybeast as null?
I really need to sleep now tho :/ see ya later.
would like to pop into thread to point out that only last wolf has two kills, not all wolves
I tried to thonk and read the reads losts and visualize them but I'm on vacation being bugged so I'll pick it up later
You said the word "don't" in that quote and the way I am interpreting your post is it looked like you are fine with the vote on Vivax.
oh lol right
well that honestly makes the game a lot easier
oh, hey, that also means we know we're down to the last wolf when they kill two in the night, that's cool
I don't think so.
If there's something I find very scummy then I would post more about it. I'm never going to say "x is openwolfing!" and then post nothing after it. That's not a town mindset.
illusion kill reminder thing, and the double kill is optional
I wonder, if matrim was a wolf would he fake claim a stronger PR? Like maybe just claim holy, why not. Probably not unlikely a wolf would be told by wolf chat to, but I'm not sure if it's likely enough I'd say he's town for not
I just told you you're interpreting it incorrectly thoYou said the word "don't" in that quote and the way I am interpreting your post is it looked like you are fine with the vote on Vivax.
I had the thought that if he's wolf he probably claimed the extra role. His role was one of the weakest imo.I wonder, if matrim was a wolf would he fake claim a stronger PR? Like maybe just claim holy, why not. Probably not unlikely a wolf would be told by wolf chat to, but I'm not sure if it's likely enough I'd say he's town for not
hm, no I don't think that'd really make sense. Why would wolves get rid of their fake claim options with this? Wolves having a safe fake claim is important and this one is hard to verify, so if it was an 'extra' role, wolves would hold onto itI had the thought that if he's wolf he probably claimed the extra role. His role was one of the weakest imo.I wonder, if matrim was a wolf would he fake claim a stronger PR? Like maybe just claim holy, why not. Probably not unlikely a wolf would be told by wolf chat to, but I'm not sure if it's likely enough I'd say he's town for not
I mean, claiming this instead of Matrims role in that case does still allow them to fake claim Matrim's real role, is he's a wolf, but the power of a fake claim is either adding confusing to verified info (I.E. cop checks) or being able to hide your real role, which a hard to verify role does
I'm kind of half and half in what he was after reading his catchup, but I think that's something we can also pick up later
You don't get out of this if you don't bus. And we've played together for ages, so voting me is asinine.I don't think so.
If there's something I find very scummy then I would post more about it. I'm never going to say "x is openwolfing!" and then post nothing after it. That's not a town mindset.
I really have no idea what that is supposed to mean.You don't get out of this if you don't bus. And we've played together for ages, so voting me is asinine.I don't think so.
If there's something I find very scummy then I would post more about it. I'm never going to say "x is openwolfing!" and then post nothing after it. That's not a town mindset.
Witch Hunt II Day 2 Votecount
Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase) 1 CybeastID Fairy (15) 1 Kajot InstantHammer (20) 1 The Penguin risiinq- (7) 1 a07netfriend Jinjo (2) 1 Grackaroni Vivax (7) 1 Vivax Grackaroni (7) 1 Jinjo a07netfriend (6) 9 Not voting Inawordyes (0), Wisdom (0), Valentine (0), The Penguin (0), sOHiJK (4), Macdougall (0), Kajot (0), CybeastID (3), Garden Gnome (11)
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Mac is still listed as a living player, neato
Should be fixed now, sorry
You know that feeling, when you're terrible at D1 because your ability to solve (and your ability to not spiral) suffers when you have no info, and then you sign up for a flipless game where it's perpetually D1 the whole game?
So that's where I'm at, I'm not surprised that Mac died because he was probably the second-towniest town yesterday, but it doesn't really do much to actually help me narrow down alignments
Still didn't get to do those ISOs on the last-alphabetically players, I have some time now while I'm on my computer so I'm probably gonna reread at least some players again before I go to bed. I really don't know who to think is Mafia atm
Where's your read on Kajot and Wisdom at compared to the concerns you had at the time you wrote this A07It's not that you're pretending to like her in this context. (I realized that could have been read after I posted it, which is kind of rude, my bad!) Just that the interaction felt weird, kind of off both sides to me?I absolutely like Kajot, why would I pretend smh!
It does feel like perma day one. Also, not everyone has posted today, probably because they're sleeping. Which I will be soon, now that it's midnight in Gnomelandia. I'd be interested to see your perspective, although I probably won't until sometime tomorrow.
Do you have a more-definitive read of/on me now, after finishing through D1 in its entirety?To be honest, I'm not sure. I feel like you're being too reasonable to the extent it stifles your own opinions. You can have one opinion and then point out reasons to the contrary, and I think you did it with 2 or 3 different players. (Although my brain felt a bit mush so I may be off with the number.) So in that sense everything you said was slightly agreeable since you were considering literally everything to the extent you didn't really have any actual opinions that stuck out to me, and I didn't feel inclined to reply to any of it. The best that I got out of reading you was that when you quoted people I read them again, sorry to say.
Honest question, if you are/at the time were confident that Wisdom was a townie or at least the towniest of everybody in the game at that moment, then why would how other people read Wisdom differently have any bearing on your own, individual read of them?
SoD post updated with soft elim guidelines.
I find this post really interesting because the bolded applies to A07 just the same. Still reading, but so far a good chunk of A07's ISO is directly tying himself to a top-town read on Wis that he weakly hedges on but at the same time uses as a means to scumspect others (Pengu in this post, Kajot earlier on in the other convo chain I quoted a post from above). There's a lot of white-knighting for Wis, and I can't tell if that's a W/W defense, W!A07 trying to pocketing T!Wis, or something else
A07 continues into that. Earlier he indirectly indicates that he doesn't think Kajot/Wis is W/W, and says that Wis is the townier player of the two. Here, A07 says that he doesn't think Pengu/Wis are W/W, providing an out where he can claim they're both town or It's W/V but Wis is more townie in the same manner as Kajot. I don't know if that's what he ended up doing, as I'm still reading, but I can easily see a seed being planted to pivot that direction, especially as Pengu gained traction and was either top wagon or primary counterwagon for the majority of the day yesterday
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Wis is the only person who responded to this who said yes to the idea, correct?
Interesting
Yeah, tbh I kind of lost faith in the Penguin witchread based on how everyone was asking and thought it was way more probable that Wisdom kind of had her in her pocket, and Penguin really made me think he believed in them both being against your craziness in a really disarming way.A07 does a lot of soft-defense of Wis in terms of questioning people who question their alignment. Despite this, A07 starts shifting towards Pengu being townie, but I personally don't see any conversely shift towards Wis being scummy, beyond the pocket comment. And yet while A07 is backtracking a Pengu vote, he neither turns the script on Wis in what he sees as a 2/3 chance of being a W/V pair or even acknowledges that he still reads her town, while at the same time postwise he's pushing back at people mentioning Wis' name as a witch
Majorly falling asleep rn, so disappointingly I’m dipping out for the night after only getting to read one ISO, but overall, not really that impressed with A07. So much of his content and focus is centered around Wis and a townread on them
i love this votecount.
Witch Hunt II Day 2 Votecount
Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase) 1 CybeastID Fairy (15) 1 Kajot InstantHammer (20) 1 The Penguin risiinq- (8) 1 a07netfriend Jinjo (2) 1 Grackaroni Vivax (7) 1 Vivax Grackaroni (7) 1 Jinjo a07netfriend (6) 8 Not voting Inawordyes (9), Wisdom (0), Valentine (0), The Penguin (0), sOHiJK (4), Kajot (0), CybeastID (3), Garden Gnome (13)
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Legacy time. If you play mafia, make it a habit. Tinfoiling is fun at times but I suppose I can refrain from pestering Grackaroni here. More of a force for good in games.
Final VC:
Safe to assume that witches never bus in this setup at EoD.
SOHiJK and Iawylook bad for not switching to Matrims wagon here.
Then there's maybe one witch on my wagon, possibly Jinjo.
And one just derpvoting Fairy. InstantHammer.
This town has been great in hindsight. Swung together like a proper sledgehammer. That counters the fliplessness.
SoH going slow-rolling OMGUS around his vote on Penguin, not all posts quoted here.
Vote on Matrim makes sense for w/w before EoD. Bit more NAI.
Post to Snow looks bad, SOH probably witch just for that.
Iawy in a similar spot with the bad approach to pushing the Peng lynch and just posting walls without much direction. His D2 is much better, I see he has worked on shearing the posts to a more condensed form.
It's hard to wolf when you are unable to be rude and intimidate people. Maybe you should have learned on my homesite for that.
Jinjo within wolf meta for a post I found out before. But I think I can see now why some players play around them like they do. A very sensitive soul that one.
InstantHammer because it's the only one that makes sense to me in this context.
And hopefully that's the solve already. I don't have any preference on who to pick first.
But I guess SOH cause he implied struggling with the free time needed for the game, so it's probably a relief yeet for him.
##Vote sOHiJK
*heads in hands*
@sOHiJK
why werent you there at eod?
this. makes no sense tbh
@Vivax
are you assuming mat wolf here?
or else none of ur assumptions work, esp if mat town
Yes, I assume MacDougall wasn't killed cause his reads were crap.
That's the only flip we know and I intend to base my reads on that, as should any sane townie.
The only info we really get is from night kills.
The only wolf game I have on this site is team mafia and I never got a chance to post because my team died on n1.Legacy time. If you play mafia, make it a habit. Tinfoiling is fun at times but I suppose I can refrain from pestering Grackaroni here. More of a force for good in games.
Final VC:
Safe to assume that witches never bus in this setup at EoD.
SOHiJK and Iawylook bad for not switching to Matrims wagon here.
Then there's maybe one witch on my wagon, possibly Jinjo.
And one just derpvoting Fairy. InstantHammer.
This town has been great in hindsight. Swung together like a proper sledgehammer. That counters the fliplessness.
SoH going slow-rolling OMGUS around his vote on Penguin, not all posts quoted here.
Vote on Matrim makes sense for w/w before EoD. Bit more NAI.
Post to Snow looks bad, SOH probably witch just for that.
Iawy in a similar spot with the bad approach to pushing the Peng lynch and just posting walls without much direction. His D2 is much better, I see he has worked on shearing the posts to a more condensed form.
It's hard to wolf when you are unable to be rude and intimidate people. Maybe you should have learned on my homesite for that.
Jinjo within wolf meta for a post I found out before. But I think I can see now why some players play around them like they do. A very sensitive soul that one.
InstantHammer because it's the only one that makes sense to me in this context.
And hopefully that's the solve already. I don't have any preference on who to pick first.
But I guess SOH cause he implied struggling with the free time needed for the game, so it's probably a relief yeet for him.
##Vote sOHiJK
On reread maybe you're town and we should yeet Wisdom instead of you.I recently finished class and am still in catch up mode. I'm at the part where Mac and Wisdom are having this back and forth and what stood out to me is Wisdom talking about Mac's progression on Risiinq which looked suspicious. I'll finish reading the conversation between those two and will iso Mac to see.
If you have too much free time you could maybe check out Mac. He felt very towny not too long ago, just had an early thought about him calling NetFriend an innocent child is there in the back of my mind which I marked as possibly w/w. So curious what you would think
If that's correct and Penguin is also witch, which guess of mine should I replace with Penguin in your opinion? Or maybe it's just one of the two?
I'm curious about what you make of the wagon you were on.
No
Witches have one kill until there is only one of them left (dangerous to let it go to fx but out of our control)
Mac dying almost makes me think Matrim was a witch as he would have been my choice of protection but who knows shrug
I'm confused on what you're saying here and I'm assuming what you're saying here is if you're wrong on penguin who should you replace with Penguin? I'm leaning on a07.On reread maybe you're town and we should yeet Wisdom instead of you.I recently finished class and am still in catch up mode. I'm at the part where Mac and Wisdom are having this back and forth and what stood out to me is Wisdom talking about Mac's progression on Risiinq which looked suspicious. I'll finish reading the conversation between those two and will iso Mac to see.
If you have too much free time you could maybe check out Mac. He felt very towny not too long ago, just had an early thought about him calling NetFriend an innocent child is there in the back of my mind which I marked as possibly w/w. So curious what you would think
If that's correct and Penguin is also witch, which guess of mine should I replace with Penguin in your opinion? Or maybe it's just one of the two?
I'm curious about what you make of the wagon you were on.
The wagon I was on was on you since I was leaning wolf on you and for you to be a wolf then I would expect wolves would be voting elsewhere not on your wagon. Sometimes wolves also vote for distancing and this is why I focus more on the content of players post instead of doing wagon analysis.
@Inawordyes I didn't try to read you still, since I'm on vaca for 3 or 4 more days and you have a lot of text. Wisdom got scummier for me and Kajot townier, which seemed to me that I had trouble relating to how they wrote in English at the start and made poor assumptions.
Why others impact my read of Wisdom is because I'm the new cheese on the board when others already know her. I don't think I have all the answers, and the game keeps proving me wrong.
So me explaining the meaning of my post doesn't change your leaning at all? You didn't seem to engage with how I replied.
What we should really be doing is looking at mentions of Matrims Dive to build a possible world to work on if he was scum, even if we aren't sure. Have not the time or computer to do it today
Also to roles not revealing and all, grave digger gets to know alignment and role. So it's info on table later, assuming no lies
It was your other posts I linked on day 1 that still makes me wolf read you. You also never said why you're voting me. You're doing naked votes on me.
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