Season 9, Semifinal 2: A Cat-astrophe in Catopia [Mafia Championship]

[Poyser]

Hello fellow townies

[WindwardAway]

Ohh yeaaaah, semi finals baby

##Vote Ratchet

What goes there is a vote! :P

Lmao...is that a joke vote?

##Vote Conq

This is scum

This is not an RvS vote

What are your thoughts on it?

[moth]

##Vote WindwardAway

[Conq]

Ohh yeaaaah, semi finals baby

##Vote Ratchet

What goes there is a vote! :P

Lmao...is that a joke vote?

##Vote Conq

This is scum

This is not an RvS vote

Alright, so I read the chunk and I didn't like Relm and lady Lamdadelta conversation. I think Relm is suspicious given how they backed off from a heated conversation when pointed by lady that she can be a scum for not dropping the subject.

Also, I didn't like how seemingly a joke vote of Theallieza became a serious vote ..

Would be back later!!

[Guillotina]

And Ricardo may be scum with Conq based on their reaction. Maybe

[sothys]

Ohh yeaaaah, semi finals baby

##Vote Ratchet

What goes there is a vote! :P

Lmao...is that a joke vote?

##Vote Conq

This is scum

Kinda mind melding with this, its not much but its something to start us off i guess.

the lack of $%#! posting bodes well for us though. Seems like a very focused game.

As for me, i only know the people from G3, if i played with anyone else in the anni, then sorry i dont remember, i was really really sick.

[Tilgarial]

and there's a ricardo with a vote!
how you doin' today?

Doing fine, Seeing if someone posts "I'm scum and my buddies are B and C.". Can never dream too much :P

"I'm scum, and my buddies are Ricardo and Hellsbells"

Wait, lying is cheating, you can't do that!

*amused*
sorry, just seems like things aren't picking up as fast this game, so I'm a bit more playful

[neopest]

##Vote WindwardAway

[WindwardAway]

Windward what are you gleaning from this topic with ricardo?

it looks very reminiscy about old
times

It's just about the Anni mash which was about a month ago
There were 170 players and about half of the scumchat messages were "wait I didn't realize you're on my team" lol

[Poyser]

Hype
Also pretty cool I've played with a lot of you before
And probably talked to the rest of you at some point during Anni

most, so some are new to you?

for me, I only really know you and the friends from G3

HellsBells, sothys, and Vernon I don't think I've ever met before lol
Everyone else I think I've either played with or at least spoken with briefly?

that reminds me, IIRC Vernon said he wouldn't be around today(?) pre-rand
I feel like that should be mentioned in-thread

##Vote Tilgarial

Pingy post imo

[moth]

thats awesome

so were you excited to rand mafia in this game or…?

[neopest]

after realizing my eyes glaze over when i read posts from mafia, i've decided to follow this tell

[Guillotina]

Lmao...is that a joke vote?

##Vote Conq

This is scum

This is not an RvS vote

Alright, so I read the chunk and I didn't like Relm and lady Lamdadelta conversation. I think Relm is suspicious given how they backed off from a heated conversation when pointed by lady that she can be a scum for not dropping the subject.

Also, I didn't like how seemingly a joke vote of Theallieza became a serious vote ..

Would be back later!!

I see

So you posted this to make me react?

Why?

[Conq]

Kinda mind melding with this, its not much but its something to start us off i guess.

Can you elaborate on your mindmeld please? Guillo did not elaborate much, so I'm curious what part you agree with and why.

[WindwardAway]

Ohh yeaaaah, semi finals baby

##Vote Ratchet

What goes there is a vote! :P

Lmao...is that a joke vote?

##Vote Conq

This is scum

Kinda mind melding with this, its not much but its something to start us off i guess.

the lack of $%#! posting bodes well for us though. Seems like a very focused game.

As for me, i only know the people from G3, if i played with anyone else in the anni, then sorry i dont remember, i was really really sick.

Lack of $%#!posting?
Sorry, I think the thread is only just starting to focus on solving now. I would consider most of the earlier posts to be fluff.

[Poyser]

@Conq

Possibly a hard question to answer, but how’d you describe the difference between you scumhunting as town vs pretending to scumhunt as scum?

[neopest]

imo i can see how conq's reaction to ricardo's vote was level 0 scummy because scum have a bad habit of commenting on rvs votes like that

[WindwardAway]

thats awesome

so were you excited to rand mafia in this game or…?

I was excited about the rand, but that's because I like solving :P

[Ricardo]

Conq, how familiar are you with joke votes?

[Conq]

I see

So you posted this to make me react?

Why?

I've just had that exchange with you and Wiz from G5 in my head since it happened. I thought your Day 1 was really excellent in that game, and I'm excited to play with you. *shrug

[WindwardAway]

imo i can see how conq's reaction to ricardo's vote was level 0 scummy because scum have a bad habit of commenting on rvs votes like that

I considered that, but I'm more interested already in the discussion that's stemming from it.

[moth]

thats awesome

so were you excited to rand mafia in this game or…?

I was excited about the rand, but that's because I like solving :P

[Tilgarial]

most, so some are new to you?

for me, I only really know you and the friends from G3

HellsBells, sothys, and Vernon I don't think I've ever met before lol
Everyone else I think I've either played with or at least spoken with briefly?

that reminds me, IIRC Vernon said he wouldn't be around today(?) pre-rand
I feel like that should be mentioned in-thread

##Vote Tilgarial

Pingy post imo

me mentioning that somebody else isn't gonna be here for a while?

[neopest]

imo i can see how conq's reaction to ricardo's vote was level 0 scummy because scum have a bad habit of commenting on rvs votes like that

I considered that, but I'm more interested already in the discussion that's stemming from it.

[Conq]

Conq, how familiar are you with joke votes?

What a question!

Well, what do you know of me? Have you read any of my games? Did you read my semi-final game? Do you care about my answer to this question?

[Guillotina]

I see

So you posted this to make me react?

Why?

I've just had that exchange with you and Wiz from G5 in my head since it happened. I thought your Day 1 was really excellent in that game, and I'm excited to play with you. *shrug

Dont do bad things to look good, now i will always have the doubt.

[Poyser]

HellsBells, sothys, and Vernon I don't think I've ever met before lol
Everyone else I think I've either played with or at least spoken with briefly?

that reminds me, IIRC Vernon said he wouldn't be around today(?) pre-rand
I feel like that should be mentioned in-thread

##Vote Tilgarial

Pingy post imo

me mentioning that somebody else isn't gonna be here for a while?

Yep, it’s the kind of post I see from scum far more often than I’d see from town. Wanting to be seen as a helpful, good guy etc

[moth]

@Poyser
I cant promise I wont hammer you this game.

[Conq]

imo i can see how conq's reaction to ricardo's vote was level 0 scummy because scum have a bad habit of commenting on rvs votes like that

Talk more about this please.

[WindwardAway]

imo i can see how conq's reaction to ricardo's vote was level 0 scummy because scum have a bad habit of commenting on rvs votes like that

I considered that, but I'm more interested already in the discussion that's stemming from it.

Oh, the forum ate my follow-up post, rip
I'll just rewrite it quickly:

I didn't actually see Conq's reaction until Guillo quoted it, but what did interest me was Conq's intro post because it looked a bit performative. Idk if you get what I mean.

[neopest]

that reminds me, IIRC Vernon said he wouldn't be around today(?) pre-rand
I feel like that should be mentioned in-thread

##Vote Tilgarial

Pingy post imo

me mentioning that somebody else isn't gonna be here for a while?

Yep, it’s the kind of post I see from scum far more often than I’d see from town. Wanting to be seen as a helpful, good guy etc

omg i use this tell ALL the time in chat mafia, we call it "fake helpful"

[Guillotina]

imo i can see how conq's reaction to ricardo's vote was level 0 scummy because scum have a bad habit of commenting on rvs votes like that

Did you follow my qualifiers game?

[Ricardo]

Conq, how familiar are you with joke votes?

What a question!

Well, what do you know of me? Have you read any of my games? Did you read my semi-final game? Do you care about my answer to this question?

You're not gonna be nice to me, are you? :P

1) I know nothing of you
2) I have read 0 of your games, or anyone else's, except mine because I was on it :P
3) Check 2, and I never read past games / etc. Call me lazy but I just cba
4) I do!!! Because that was pretty obviously a joke vote from me so your question was kind of pointless.

[Conq]

I see

So you posted this to make me react?

Why?

I've just had that exchange with you and Wiz from G5 in my head since it happened. I thought your Day 1 was really excellent in that game, and I'm excited to play with you. *shrug

Dont do bad things to look good, now i will always have the doubt.

Well you are welcome to your doubt. I don't think it's fair to say that my motivation was "to look good." Just having fun. But I will take your criticism that I ought to speak sincerely. And that's fair. Permit me a joke here and there though please.

[Poyser]

Wait… is Conq suggesting he made that post asking about Ricardo’s vote on ratchet… to make guillotina react?

[WindwardAway]

##Vote Tilgarial

Pingy post imo

me mentioning that somebody else isn't gonna be here for a while?

Yep, it’s the kind of post I see from scum far more often than I’d see from town. Wanting to be seen as a helpful, good guy etc

omg i use this tell ALL the time in chat mafia, we call it "fake helpful"

How good are you at distinguishing when someone's being friendly because it's their natural personality, versus when they're trying to appear helpful because they're wolfing?
(asking because I have an opinion on this, but I'd like to hear yours first.)

[WindwardAway]

Wait… is Conq suggesting he made that post asking about Ricardo’s vote on ratchet… to make guillotina react?

I thought he was talking about the copypasta, not the reaction to the vote

[Poyser]

@Poyser
I cant promise I wont hammer you this game.

Take your best shot sir

[neopest]

imo i can see how conq's reaction to ricardo's vote was level 0 scummy because scum have a bad habit of commenting on rvs votes like that

Talk more about this please.

sure, multiple times ive witnessed in the early stages of the game a lot of scum will take one of two approaches

1. they will comment on a clearly rvs vote and react as though it was weird for that person to make that vote or try to probe further into it

we have this meme on mafia universe that comes from a scum that basically said

"Yo Katze,

I know this vote is a joke, but I feel like there's truth behind every single joke. Can you explain more about this?"

then we bw'd him instantly and he flipped scum.

or

2. will make an awkward rvs vote of their own to follow the crowd

[Poyser]

##Vote Tilgarial

Pingy post imo

me mentioning that somebody else isn't gonna be here for a while?

Yep, it’s the kind of post I see from scum far more often than I’d see from town. Wanting to be seen as a helpful, good guy etc

omg i use this tell ALL the time in chat mafia, we call it "fake helpful"

Yeah lol. I think it’s even subconscious a lot of the time and scum don’t realise they’re doing it

[Ricardo]

I see

So you posted this to make me react?

Why?

I've just had that exchange with you and Wiz from G5 in my head since it happened. I thought your Day 1 was really excellent in that game, and I'm excited to play with you. *shrug

Dont do bad things to look good, now i will always have the doubt.

That was very much not the reaction I was expecting!

Here is my preferred question to Conq's post: Conq, how is that post you quoted from another game relevant to this discussion?

[Tilgarial]

that reminds me, IIRC Vernon said he wouldn't be around today(?) pre-rand
I feel like that should be mentioned in-thread

##Vote Tilgarial

Pingy post imo

me mentioning that somebody else isn't gonna be here for a while?

Yep, it’s the kind of post I see from scum far more often than I’d see from town. Wanting to be seen as a helpful, good guy etc

well, okay then
I can't really argue with that, so I just hope you keep evaluating me, lol

[Poyser]

Wait… is Conq suggesting he made that post asking about Ricardo’s vote on ratchet… to make guillotina react?

I thought he was talking about the copypasta, not the reaction to the vote

Oh right

This game is moving too fast for me already, gonna be a hell of a ride

[neopest]

me mentioning that somebody else isn't gonna be here for a while?

Yep, it’s the kind of post I see from scum far more often than I’d see from town. Wanting to be seen as a helpful, good guy etc

omg i use this tell ALL the time in chat mafia, we call it "fake helpful"

How good are you at distinguishing when someone's being friendly because it's their natural personality, versus when they're trying to appear helpful because they're wolfing?
(asking because I have an opinion on this, but I'd like to hear yours first.)

well, in this case im not sure i agree with poyser's assessment itself, but im familiar with how the tell itself works

usually it manifests itself in the way of someone talking about something, usually mechanics or some sort of push/townread, that most people already know about or share. the idea is that town usually will think more about what's happening in the moment and try to make reads while scum struggle to generate content and have tmi and so will resort to posts like these.

[Guillotina]

Wait… is Conq suggesting he made that post asking about Ricardo’s vote on ratchet… to make guillotina react?

I caught WizkVhote off his first post in my qualifiers game. Wiz reacted to an RvS bote the same way Conq did here hence why i thought he was scum but he is citing bits if my qualifiers game which is telling me he did it on purpose.

Is he town to make me react and get me to toentell? Or is he scum hiding in audacity and trying to pocket me that way?

[Conq]

@Conq

Possibly a hard question to answer, but how’d you describe the difference between you scumhunting as town vs pretending to scumhunt as scum?

I don't have a great meta device for you here, I'm afraid. I think me scum game is pretty strong, and my intent, as scum, is to act as much like Town!Conq as I can.

I just played a scum game on MU. You can read it here. Hopefully you can find something useful so that you can sort me in this game.

[Poyser]

##Vote Tilgarial

Pingy post imo

me mentioning that somebody else isn't gonna be here for a while?

Yep, it’s the kind of post I see from scum far more often than I’d see from town. Wanting to be seen as a helpful, good guy etc

well, okay then
I can't really argue with that, so I just hope you keep evaluating me, lol

Only an early gut feeling of course, but seems to me to be the best lead so far

[neopest]

imo i can see how conq's reaction to ricardo's vote was level 0 scummy because scum have a bad habit of commenting on rvs votes like that

Did you follow my qualifiers game?

not really while you were alive, but later on ye

[Ricardo]

Wait… is Conq suggesting he made that post asking about Ricardo’s vote on ratchet… to make guillotina react?

I caught WizkVhote off his first post in my qualifiers game. Wiz reacted to an RvS bote the same way Conq did here hence why i thought he was scum but he is citing bits if my qualifiers game which is telling me he did it on purpose.

Is he town to make me react and get me to toentell? Or is he scum hiding in audacity and trying to pocket me that way?

Oooooooooooo

Conq, forget my question :P

[WindwardAway]

Yep, it’s the kind of post I see from scum far more often than I’d see from town. Wanting to be seen as a helpful, good guy etc

omg i use this tell ALL the time in chat mafia, we call it "fake helpful"

How good are you at distinguishing when someone's being friendly because it's their natural personality, versus when they're trying to appear helpful because they're wolfing?
(asking because I have an opinion on this, but I'd like to hear yours first.)

well, in this case im not sure i agree with poyser's assessment itself, but im familiar with how the tell itself works

usually it manifests itself in the way of someone talking about something, usually mechanics or some sort of push/townread, that most people already know about or share. the idea is that town usually will think more about what's happening in the moment and try to make reads while scum struggle to generate content and have tmi and so will resort to posts like these.

Ok, was just wondering if you were agreeing with Poyser's take or just about it being a typical scum tell (which I also agree with, but I will also say that it's NAI for Tilgarial, take that as you will.)