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    tag me if hammer, otherwise i don’t post again today, nothing to discuss

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    Won’t self-vote as town, you bozo

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    It’s funny how Lucy is allowed to troll and do nothing, but I’m expected to ‘impress’ the thread

    Sod off

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perplexity (#2553)
    It’s funny how Lucy is allowed to troll and do nothing, but I’m expected to ‘impress’ the thread

    Sod off
    sod off?

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    This is what I get for being obedient, & following other players’ orders

    NEVER AGAIN

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perplexity (#2553)
    It’s funny how Lucy is allowed to troll and do nothing, but I’m expected to ‘impress’ the thread

    Sod off
    just think more lmao

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    Glad he’s capped I would self-press but it’s against my wincon

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    vola we are a bit similar, we don’t show the thread a lot of our process

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    however i’ve been right A LOT, and people understand and can see i think and have depth of thought which is proven to be quite correct, however pizza describes you in that you can make a process or more accurate an absence of any process that can be seen

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    I will always play to my alignment

    I’m town who was tricked by others

    Just because I respect triple haven, I won’t vote myself this game

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    Pizza can’t understand me, I can’t understand pizza

    I hated all of his ‘teams’ explanations d1 it was just assumption after assumption

    I think if he’s w he won’t keep me for f3

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    https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...=1#post6466510

    here’s vola in f3/4 or something where he loses

  13. ISO #2563
    Wisdom can hammer lol


    Zelda, I honestly won’t mind

    You need to do what’s best for you

  14. ISO #2564
    That game wasn’t real

    & this game also isn’t real

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    Think it’s better to be eliminated today, I’m not doing f3 with matt/pizza

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    I’m glad to have followed the ‘forcing’ of pizza & others

    It has made realise SO MANY THINGS that can be applicable in real settings

    Man, the truths in this game, the AMAZING truths that were shown to me this game, will be much valuable for the future

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucy (#2558)
    vola we are a bit similar, we don’t show the thread a lot of our process
    Think I will copy phrase’s play in future games, it would be more suitable to my style since I enjoy quick posts rather than expansion

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    ##Vote lucy

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    Not really here but

    Lucy doesn’t seem to care about her vote.

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    UNVOTE RIGHT NOW

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    Wisdom please do not hammer perplexity

    Thank you

    I need to catch up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perplexity (#2565)
    Think it’s better to be eliminated today, I’m not doing f3 with matt/pizza
    No

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    God damn it pizza why did you cap AGAIN

    THIS IS GETTING SO $%#!ING INFURIATING

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    @Wisdom

    Would you mind unvoting?

    I'm not lynching perplexity today. I want to be guaranteed in f3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt (#2574)
    @Wisdom

    Would you mind unvoting?

    I'm not lynching perplexity today. I want to be guaranteed in f3.
    I'm not even voting them fam

    If Perp's the wolf we win by killing him though.

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    I don't think Perp is the wolf and if you hammer him, I'm telling pizza and wisdom to instantly vote you tomorrow

    Perp please don't self hammer

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    I think moth's role confirms perplexity as town

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt (#2576)
    I don't think Perp is the wolf and if you hammer him, I'm telling pizza and wisdom to instantly vote you tomorrow

    Perp please don't self hammer
    Pizza and lucy*

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt (#2577)
    I think moth's role confirms perplexity as town
    Wanna explain this?

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    GQ flipped d1
    Both Moth and Perp got pushed d2
    If they didn't both claim the other one would have died

    I don't think "what was their strat if they fake claimed and are both wolves" holds much water
    At least it makes sense for me for them both to do that as wolves in that situation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#2579)
    Quote Originally Posted by matt (#2577)
    I think moth's role confirms perplexity as town
    Wanna explain this?
    Yeah

    How is moth supposed to know that lily and cobalt are neighbors?

    I think it's much more likely that asceticiser is there to block bg from protecting proxy cop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt (#2581)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#2579)
    Quote Originally Posted by matt (#2577)
    I think moth's role confirms perplexity as town
    Wanna explain this?
    Yeah

    How is moth supposed to know that lily and cobalt are neighbors?

    I think it's much more likely that asceticiser is there to block bg from protecting proxy cop.
    Plus- in cobalt's Role PM it clearly states that the alignment of the neighbor was RANDOMIZED, so if Lily was mafia and moth was asceticiser and Perp was also mafia, then his role would be entirely useless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt (#2582)
    Quote Originally Posted by matt (#2581)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#2579)
    Quote Originally Posted by matt (#2577)
    I think moth's role confirms perplexity as town
    Wanna explain this?
    Yeah

    How is moth supposed to know that lily and cobalt are neighbors?

    I think it's much more likely that asceticiser is there to block bg from protecting proxy cop.
    Plus- in cobalt's Role PM it clearly states that the alignment of the neighbor was RANDOMIZED, so if Lily was mafia and moth was asceticiser and Perp was also mafia, then his role would be entirely useless.
    Moth's would

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#2126)
    Closed Light 13er Day 3 Final Votecount

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    5 moth Hallia (18), Gruntilda (100), Blue (60), Perplexity (64), matt (67)
    1 Wisdom moth (57)
    1 Hallia CrimsonFox (36)
    2 Not voting lucy (18), Wisdom (7)


    View Vote History

    End day at majority is enabled. With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to reach majority.

    moth was eliminated. They were: Mafia Ascestiser.
    Role PM for Closed Light 13er

    You are Mafia Asceticiser

    As Asceticiser, you have access to the Asceticise action. At night, you may choose to make yourself or another player untargetable by actions other than kills. If a player is blocked by this action, and a result was expected, they will be told they obtained no result. You may not use this action on the same player twice.


    As Mafia, you have access to the Factional Night Kill Night Action. Players targeted with this action will die at the end of the Night unless protected. Submit your Night Action each night using the form below the game thread. You may change your target as many times as you want. The last action submitted will be used.

    If no Mafia submit an action, a player will be picked at random from the living non-Mafia players.


    Day 3 has ended.

    Day 3 ended at 2:51 PM EST on Sunday, November 20th, 2022.
    oh that's how it works

    I never actually checked the details outside of "blocks actions"

    Thought it essentially was a jailkeeper but self-targetable

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    Only argument against that is that if moth and perplexity and lily all randed scum, then maybe moth would have randed a different pr?

    But idk how much fruit that bears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#2584)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#2126)
    Closed Light 13er Day 3 Final Votecount

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    5 moth Hallia (18), Gruntilda (100), Blue (60), Perplexity (64), matt (67)
    1 Wisdom moth (57)
    1 Hallia CrimsonFox (36)
    2 Not voting lucy (18), Wisdom (7)


    View Vote History

    End day at majority is enabled. With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to reach majority.

    moth was eliminated. They were: Mafia Ascestiser.
    Role PM for Closed Light 13er

    You are Mafia Asceticiser

    As Asceticiser, you have access to the Asceticise action. At night, you may choose to make yourself or another player untargetable by actions other than kills. If a player is blocked by this action, and a result was expected, they will be told they obtained no result. You may not use this action on the same player twice.


    As Mafia, you have access to the Factional Night Kill Night Action. Players targeted with this action will die at the end of the Night unless protected. Submit your Night Action each night using the form below the game thread. You may change your target as many times as you want. The last action submitted will be used.

    If no Mafia submit an action, a player will be picked at random from the living non-Mafia players.


    Day 3 has ended.

    Day 3 ended at 2:51 PM EST on Sunday, November 20th, 2022.
    oh that's how it works

    I never actually checked the details outside of "blocks actions"

    Thought it essentially was a jailkeeper but self-targetable
    No

    It was basically a rolestopper that could leave their target vulnerable

    Completely busted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TripleHaven (#1674)
    N2 Results
    Cobalt has died! They were...

    Role PM for Closed Light 13er

    You are Neighbor Proxy Cop

    As Neighbor, you have access to a private thread where you can talk to the other Neighbor in your group. The alignment of your neighbor is random and was not predetermined by the host. You do not know if there are other groups.

    As Proxy Cop, you may target a player during the night to learn their alignment. Any cop results you obtain will be sent to your neighbor as well as you. Your neighbor will not be told that you are the one sending these results.

    Additionally, you are lazy. Your action will not work if there is only one member of the mafia left.

    You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

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    So let's say that lily randed scum and we will just say that brad was a villager.

    How much sense does this make?

    Town:
    Blue - VT
    CrimsonFox - VT
    Good Question - VT
    Gruntilda - VT
    Hallia - VT
    lucy - VT
    matt - VT
    Sherlock Holmes - VT
    Wisdom - VT
    Cobalt - Neighbor Proxy Cop

    VS.

    Mafia
    lilypetal - Mafia Neighbor
    moth - Mafia Asceticiser
    Perplexity - Mafia

    Next to zero right?

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    Asceticiser does not role block, they only role stop. So cobalt would still receive his report if he were asceticised, and it would go straight to mafia aka lily which moth has zero reason to asceticise.

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    Chew on that for a bit, but the tl;dr is that mafia have been playing themselves for leaving bg alive for so long when I'm pretty sure he's mechanically confirmed town lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt (#2588)
    So let's say that lily randed scum and we will just say that brad was a villager.

    How much sense does this make?

    Town:
    Blue - VT
    CrimsonFox - VT
    Good Question - VT
    Gruntilda - VT
    Hallia - VT
    lucy - VT
    matt - VT
    Sherlock Holmes - VT
    Wisdom - VT
    Cobalt - Neighbor Proxy Cop

    VS.

    Mafia
    lilypetal - Mafia Neighbor
    moth - Mafia Asceticiser
    Perplexity - Mafia

    Next to zero right?
    Now take out perplexity for brad and make perp a bg and it makes sense.

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    Basically moth is an infinite use strongman

    There's NO $%#!ING WAY that there isn't something to combat that.

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    hmmm so

    Lily could have been Wolf Neighbor getting proxied

    Seems like that alignment rand is swinging a lot in their teams favor.

    Let's work through the options, we don't know if the last wolf's a PR or not, we don't know if Perp's the body guard or not

    ------

    In a town bg!Perp world that would either be
    3 wolf PR's
    2 town PR's whereof one pretty much instantly dies and the bodyguard is useless
    Conclusion: Massively wolf sided

    OR

    3 town PR's whereof the combination of neighborcop is super strong
    2 wolf PR's and a goon
    Conclusion: Quite town sided

    ---if Perp is wolf and not bg, that implies---

    3 wolf PR's
    1 town PR that's useless
    Conclusion: Massively wolf sided

    OR

    2 town PR's that's strong
    2 wolf PR's and a goon
    Conclusion: Balanced

    --- This is based on the last wolf remaining being a PR ---

    If not (assuming Perp's the bg)...
    If Lily randed wolf in a 1 goon setup that would mean

    2 wolf PR's 1 goon
    2 town PR's whereof one's useless and the other one is town bg
    Conclusion: Quite wolf sided

    OR

    If Lily randed town in a 1 goon setup that would mean
    1 wolf PR 2 goons
    3 town PR's whereof two are superstrong and the third is a bodyguard
    Conclusion: Massively wolf sided

    --- Finally, Last wolf's a goon and Perp's a wolf ---

    Lily w
    1 wolf PR, useless, 2 goons
    1 town PR, useless
    Conclusion: Balanced?

    OR

    Lily v
    1 wolf pr, useless, 2 goons
    2 town pr, dangerous
    Conclusion: Quite town sided

    --------------------------------------------

    TLDR

    The only way this setup isn't massively broken based on what alignment the second neighbor rolls, is by there not being a bodyguard and wolves has 2 goons. (Which either makes the game either mountainous+ or a strong cop 13er). This means Perp's a wolf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#2593)
    hmmm so

    Lily could have been Wolf Neighbor getting proxied

    Seems like that alignment rand is swinging a lot in their teams favor.

    Let's work through the options, we don't know if the last wolf's a PR or not, we don't know if Perp's the body guard or not

    ------

    In a town bg!Perp world that would either be
    3 wolf PR's
    2 town PR's whereof one pretty much instantly dies and the bodyguard is useless
    Conclusion: Massively wolf sided

    OR

    3 town PR's whereof the combination of neighborcop is super strong
    2 wolf PR's and a goon
    Conclusion: Quite town sided

    ---if Perp is wolf and not bg, that implies---

    3 wolf PR's
    1 town PR that's useless
    Conclusion: Massively wolf sided

    OR

    2 town PR's that's strong
    2 wolf PR's and a goon
    Conclusion: Balanced

    --- This is based on the last wolf remaining being a PR ---

    If not (assuming Perp's the bg)...
    If Lily randed wolf in a 1 goon setup that would mean

    2 wolf PR's 1 goon
    2 town PR's whereof one's useless and the other one is town bg
    Conclusion: Quite wolf sided

    OR

    If Lily randed town in a 1 goon setup that would mean
    1 wolf PR 2 goons
    3 town PR's whereof two are superstrong and the third is a bodyguard
    Conclusion: Massively wolf sided

    --- Finally, Last wolf's a goon and Perp's a wolf ---

    Lily w
    1 wolf PR, useless, 2 goons
    1 town PR, useless
    Conclusion: Balanced?

    OR

    Lily v
    1 wolf pr, useless, 2 goons
    2 town pr, dangerous
    Conclusion: Quite town sided

    --------------------------------------------

    TLDR

    The only way this setup isn't massively broken based on what alignment the second neighbor rolls, is by there not being a bodyguard and wolves has 2 goons. (Which either makes the game either mountainous+ or a strong cop 13er). This means Perp's a wolf.
    If Perp is a wolf, then the game is an infinite strongman vs. a cop that can send his report to someone else lol.

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    The only thing about moth's role PM is that he could not target the same player twice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#2593)
    If Lily randed town in a 1 goon setup that would mean
    1 wolf PR 2 goons
    3 town PR's whereof two are superstrong and the third is a bodyguard
    Conclusion: Massively wolf sided
    Massively town sided*

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    Lily is not a freaking pr

    Neighbor is not a pr

    Neighbor had ZERO WEIGHT into the pr balance

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt (#2594)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#2593)
    hmmm so

    Lily could have been Wolf Neighbor getting proxied

    Seems like that alignment rand is swinging a lot in their teams favor.

    Let's work through the options, we don't know if the last wolf's a PR or not, we don't know if Perp's the body guard or not

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    In a town bg!Perp world that would either be
    3 wolf PR's
    2 town PR's whereof one pretty much instantly dies and the bodyguard is useless
    Conclusion: Massively wolf sided

    OR

    3 town PR's whereof the combination of neighborcop is super strong
    2 wolf PR's and a goon
    Conclusion: Quite town sided

    ---if Perp is wolf and not bg, that implies---

    3 wolf PR's
    1 town PR that's useless
    Conclusion: Massively wolf sided

    OR

    2 town PR's that's strong
    2 wolf PR's and a goon
    Conclusion: Balanced

    --- This is based on the last wolf remaining being a PR ---

    If not (assuming Perp's the bg)...
    If Lily randed wolf in a 1 goon setup that would mean

    2 wolf PR's 1 goon
    2 town PR's whereof one's useless and the other one is town bg
    Conclusion: Quite wolf sided

    OR

    If Lily randed town in a 1 goon setup that would mean
    1 wolf PR 2 goons
    3 town PR's whereof two are superstrong and the third is a bodyguard
    Conclusion: Massively wolf sided

    --- Finally, Last wolf's a goon and Perp's a wolf ---

    Lily w
    1 wolf PR, useless, 2 goons
    1 town PR, useless
    Conclusion: Balanced?

    OR

    Lily v
    1 wolf pr, useless, 2 goons
    2 town pr, dangerous
    Conclusion: Quite town sided

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    TLDR

    The only way this setup isn't massively broken based on what alignment the second neighbor rolls, is by there not being a bodyguard and wolves has 2 goons. (Which either makes the game either mountainous+ or a strong cop 13er). This means Perp's a wolf.
    If Perp is a wolf, then the game is an infinite strongman vs. a cop that can send his report to someone else lol.
    Isn't the point of Moth's role to counter the cop rather than the bodyguard?
    Bodyguard would never be able to block anything as long as Moth's alive anyway so it'd be a useless role

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt (#2595)
    The only thing about moth's role PM is that he could not target the same player twice.
    Which doesn't matter, the target dies at night anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#2598)
    Quote Originally Posted by matt (#2594)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#2593)
    hmmm so

    Lily could have been Wolf Neighbor getting proxied

    Seems like that alignment rand is swinging a lot in their teams favor.

    Let's work through the options, we don't know if the last wolf's a PR or not, we don't know if Perp's the body guard or not

    ------

    In a town bg!Perp world that would either be
    3 wolf PR's
    2 town PR's whereof one pretty much instantly dies and the bodyguard is useless
    Conclusion: Massively wolf sided

    OR

    3 town PR's whereof the combination of neighborcop is super strong
    2 wolf PR's and a goon
    Conclusion: Quite town sided

    ---if Perp is wolf and not bg, that implies---

    3 wolf PR's
    1 town PR that's useless
    Conclusion: Massively wolf sided

    OR

    2 town PR's that's strong
    2 wolf PR's and a goon
    Conclusion: Balanced

    --- This is based on the last wolf remaining being a PR ---

    If not (assuming Perp's the bg)...
    If Lily randed wolf in a 1 goon setup that would mean

    2 wolf PR's 1 goon
    2 town PR's whereof one's useless and the other one is town bg
    Conclusion: Quite wolf sided

    OR

    If Lily randed town in a 1 goon setup that would mean
    1 wolf PR 2 goons
    3 town PR's whereof two are superstrong and the third is a bodyguard
    Conclusion: Massively wolf sided

    --- Finally, Last wolf's a goon and Perp's a wolf ---

    Lily w
    1 wolf PR, useless, 2 goons
    1 town PR, useless
    Conclusion: Balanced?

    OR

    Lily v
    1 wolf pr, useless, 2 goons
    2 town pr, dangerous
    Conclusion: Quite town sided

    --------------------------------------------

    TLDR

    The only way this setup isn't massively broken based on what alignment the second neighbor rolls, is by there not being a bodyguard and wolves has 2 goons. (Which either makes the game either mountainous+ or a strong cop 13er). This means Perp's a wolf.
    If Perp is a wolf, then the game is an infinite strongman vs. a cop that can send his report to someone else lol.
    Isn't the point of Moth's role to counter the cop rather than the bodyguard?
    Bodyguard would never be able to block anything as long as Moth's alive anyway so it'd be a useless role
    I mean that's a good point

    Bg is entirely useless as long as moth is alive

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