Weekend at Taffy's

[baudib1]

Cape, yesterday you were saying Amigos/Cider were town, so what changed?

[Cape90]

this is stupid, like Rem seemed like the obvious vig to me but im pretty sure they spewed themselves not vig today

[Kuti plz]

Maybe the vig has holstered?

[Cape90]

Cape, yesterday you were saying Amigos/Cider were town, so what changed?

both were in my POE and I was literally voting Amigos yesterday before you. If I said that it's in a world where you are mafia and I am not inclined to vote you now im NGL

[baudib1]

I was really hoping our vig would get a shot off last night

Cider spews himself not-vig with this post. Also he was a wagon all of D2/3 without claiming.

THEN WHY IS VIG HIDING

there’s like 5 potatoes in this game don’t ask me. Why wouldn’t he claim D2/D3?

[Cape90]

Maybe the vig has holstered?

killing one of me/baulib literally opens the game up so like bad play on vig for not shooting one of us. But even without that, there is always Amigos and Cider which would again, help a lot.

[baudib1]

Cape, yesterday you were saying Amigos/Cider were town, so what changed?

both were in my POE and I was literally voting Amigos yesterday before you. If I said that it's in a world where you are mafia and I am not inclined to vote you now im NGL

oh I thought at last report you were refusing to vote for Amigos or Lock. I kinda tinfoiled that you were spewing them town kek.

[lilypetal]

Cape is towny this page

[baudib1]

Look the vig has inted there’s nothing we can do about it at this point.

The scenarios where I thought this would be an easy game involved MD claiming 2+ live targets (regardless of results) and either getting a shot off or at least a claim from Amigos/Brad/Kuti.

[Abraxas]

everyone check to make sure you are not the vigilante

[Cape90]

Rem is town because she was a viable wagon on D1 with counterwagons available to her that were Wade (town), Vandy (town) and Lucy and it would have been easy enough to self-pres in one of those spots instead of starting the wagon on EC.

You have to give her credit for looking at the available choices, not taking any of them, and finding the scum. Despite the fact she was wagoned, there were vocal town people giving her high clearance, including me saying I would vote to save her. For her to leverage that into a bus is incredibly lame.

In addition her play D2 just reeks of "I'm a cleared town and I can do whatever I want" and as a wolf she would have to manage her appearance a bit more.

Yeeting Schweppes would be funny and maybe technically correct but it sorta feels wrong.

im just gonna leave this here.

[baudib1]

everyone check to make sure you are not the vigilante

I actually did this yesterday

[baudib1]

Rem is town because she was a viable wagon on D1 with counterwagons available to her that were Wade (town), Vandy (town) and Lucy and it would have been easy enough to self-pres in one of those spots instead of starting the wagon on EC.

You have to give her credit for looking at the available choices, not taking any of them, and finding the scum. Despite the fact she was wagoned, there were vocal town people giving her high clearance, including me saying I would vote to save her. For her to leverage that into a bus is incredibly lame.

In addition her play D2 just reeks of "I'm a cleared town and I can do whatever I want" and as a wolf she would have to manage her appearance a bit more.

Yeeting Schweppes would be funny and maybe technically correct but it sorta feels wrong.

im just gonna leave this here.

And?

[Abraxas]

If this wasn't a game with PRs I would agree with your assessment that bussing would be bad in that situation. But bussing to save the roleblocker does two things:

a) it keeps the bussing role blocker alive with their towniness increasing a ton, after being wagoned early d1
b) it makes it less likely for the busser to be targeted by the vigilante and motion detector

[Abraxas]

in your scenario, assuming rem is a wolf, then rem voting a town wagon such as myself would open rem up to being shot for being a counterwagon to mafia that was saved at the last second. or motion detected, either ensure rem's death (if a wolf)

[baudib1]

If this wasn't a game with PRs I would agree with your assessment that bussing would be bad in that situation. But bussing to save the roleblocker does two things:

a) it keeps the bussing role blocker alive with their towniness increasing a ton, after being wagoned early d1
b) it makes it less likely for the busser to be targeted by the vigilante and motion detector

mafia RB isn’t great, it’s a lot weaker than a town RB.

[baudib1]

in your scenario, assuming rem is a wolf, then rem voting a town wagon such as myself would open rem up to being shot for being a counterwagon to mafia that was saved at the last second. or motion detected, either ensure rem's death (if a wolf)

I don’t think anyone would sus Rem for voting Lucy in self-pres.

[Abraxas]

I have experience catching mafia bussing after subbing in btw

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...86#post3344686

Caught both hexxed and alice and met similar resistance. And that wolf they bussed had KP. Still lost though because nobody wanted to see the truth.

[Cape90]

Rem is town because she was a viable wagon on D1 with counterwagons available to her that were Wade (town), Vandy (town) and Lucy and it would have been easy enough to self-pres in one of those spots instead of starting the wagon on EC.

You have to give her credit for looking at the available choices, not taking any of them, and finding the scum. Despite the fact she was wagoned, there were vocal town people giving her high clearance, including me saying I would vote to save her. For her to leverage that into a bus is incredibly lame.

In addition her play D2 just reeks of "I'm a cleared town and I can do whatever I want" and as a wolf she would have to manage her appearance a bit more.

Yeeting Schweppes would be funny and maybe technically correct but it sorta feels wrong.

im just gonna leave this here.

And?

let's do a counting game

1. Rem acts cleared off EC being mafia
2. You act cleared off EC being mafia
3. Schweppes acts cleared off EC being mafia

Why act strangely around Schweppes when you can townread Schweppes for the same thing you townread Rem off of.

I mean there is not to mention all of this

P#1872
P#2250
P#2358
P#2397 (bruh he was responsible)

[baudib1]

The actual MD came in D3 hot for Rem because he was mad at her so he had the chance to target her and we have to assume he didn’t get a positive on her.

[baudib1]

Rem is town because she was a viable wagon on D1 with counterwagons available to her that were Wade (town), Vandy (town) and Lucy and it would have been easy enough to self-pres in one of those spots instead of starting the wagon on EC.

You have to give her credit for looking at the available choices, not taking any of them, and finding the scum. Despite the fact she was wagoned, there were vocal town people giving her high clearance, including me saying I would vote to save her. For her to leverage that into a bus is incredibly lame.

In addition her play D2 just reeks of "I'm a cleared town and I can do whatever I want" and as a wolf she would have to manage her appearance a bit more.

Yeeting Schweppes would be funny and maybe technically correct but it sorta feels wrong.

im just gonna leave this here.

And?

let's do a counting game

1. Rem acts cleared off EC being mafia
2. You act cleared off EC being mafia
3. Schweppes acts cleared off EC being mafia

Why act strangely around Schweppes when you can townread Schweppes for the same thing you townread Rem off of.

I mean there is not to mention all of this

P#1872
P#2250
P#2358
P#2397 (bruh he was responsible)

Schweppes didn’t actually do anything to get EC yeeted.

[Abraxas]

The actual MD came in D3 hot for Rem because he was mad at her so he had the chance to target her and we have to assume he didn’t get a positive on her.

ok this is a good point actually, but it's very possible they roleblocked brad and shot elsewhere.

[baudib1]

The actual MD came in D3 hot for Rem because he was mad at her so he had the chance to target her and we have to assume he didn’t get a positive on her.

ok this is a good point actually, but it's very possible they roleblocked brad and shot elsewhere.

hmmm I’m not sure how a RBd might action would be processed but if he knew he was RBd he probably should have claimed. (But maybe not).

[Cape90]

Yeeting Schweppes would be funny and maybe technically correct but it sorta feels wrong.

im just gonna leave this here.

And?

let's do a counting game

1. Rem acts cleared off EC being mafia
2. You act cleared off EC being mafia
3. Schweppes acts cleared off EC being mafia

Why act strangely around Schweppes when you can townread Schweppes for the same thing you townread Rem off of.

I mean there is not to mention all of this

P#1872
P#2250
P#2358
P#2397 (bruh he was responsible)

Schweppes didn’t actually do anything to get EC yeeted.

he threw a vote out there because he didn't like the current wagons at EOD 1 and voted EvilContract out of it. While Rem was the first and Vandy had the vote in mind (Vandy unvoted after a while).

I would call that something to get EC yeeted, if he didn't call to action there, I don't think the wagon would have gone over, I thought this was an agreed upon fact

[Abraxas]

The actual MD came in D3 hot for Rem because he was mad at her so he had the chance to target her and we have to assume he didn’t get a positive on her.

ok this is a good point actually, but it's very possible they roleblocked brad and shot elsewhere.

hmmm I’m not sure how a RBd might action would be processed but if he knew he was RBd he probably should have claimed. (But maybe not).

maybe he planned to claim, but hammer came too early. in any case, i am just stating that there is a VALID argument for rem!scum world, i am not 100% convinced it's a wolf hit, but ive tried two times voting in poe like a cooperative gremlin and it hasnt worked out

[Prince J]

Cape is towny this page

I have quite a few issues with his meta read on me being bonkers incorrect a tad

But yeah

[baudib1]

And?

let's do a counting game

1. Rem acts cleared off EC being mafia
2. You act cleared off EC being mafia
3. Schweppes acts cleared off EC being mafia

Why act strangely around Schweppes when you can townread Schweppes for the same thing you townread Rem off of.

I mean there is not to mention all of this

P#1872
P#2250
P#2358
P#2397 (bruh he was responsible)

Schweppes didn’t actually do anything to get EC yeeted.

he threw a vote out there because he didn't like the current wagons at EOD 1 and voted EvilContract out of it. While Rem was the first and Vandy had the vote in mind (Vandy unvoted after a while).

I would call that something to get EC yeeted, if he didn't call to action there, I don't think the wagon would have gone over, I thought this was an agreed upon fact

no. Unironcally there’s a better case to be made that Schweppes is clear for defending EC. Brad called BS on Schweppes dunking on EC, it’s like you didn’t even process anything on D2.

and like you keep showing posts where I voted Schweppes but I had no intention of ending up on him and it’s ridiculous for you to shade me via the entire Schweppes scenario when you were the one who said you would save him and then voted him to save Cider.

[lilypetal]

Cape is towny this page

I have quite a few issues with his meta read on me being bonkers incorrect a tad

But yeah

that part was probs the worst because it feels like a wolf solving backwards with meta

[Prince J]

Cape is towny this page

I have quite a few issues with his meta read on me being bonkers incorrect a tad

But yeah

that part was probs the worst because it feels like a wolf solving backwards with meta

Yeah and it’s not correct to wolf meta but I’m gonna drop this one because his choice to hold that meta opinion haha~

[Cape90]

Cape is towny this page

I have quite a few issues with his meta read on me being bonkers incorrect a tad

But yeah

It's worked for me so far, if you are deep wolf grats . But it's like I have observed that you care about yourself as wolf more then solving and tend to fluff more when you can (or just say less useful words then the words you speak as town)

[lilypetal]

I'm just sitting here laughing as u all run in circles when cider is literally 0 posting as a wolf

[baudib1]

I'm just sitting here laughing as u all run in circles when cider is literally 0 posting as a wolf

Well Cape isn’t voting him “because he’s the vig.”

[Cape90]

i would be so tempted to hammer cider NGL

[Abraxas]

Think I'm at something like

Cape
Prince

Bluekang

Schweppes
Blue lock
Blue guitar

Rem
Baudib
Kuti

With the rest somewhere between the groups of 3 in no real impression land

Great job guys

Gg Vandy

I've got an early start tomorrow so I won't be around for too long but to give a rough idea of where I'm at

Lock Town
Rem
Wade
Bluekang

[B] Basically cleared from EC[/B]
AlphaZero

Also look good from EC iso but not quite as clearing
Cape
Kuti

Independently just town
Schweppes

The Rest
Baudib
Lily
Prince
Blue guitar
Bluelock


And Baudib is one that I'd probably take out of this list as well. His was the one vote on the wagon I wouldn't entirely rule out from being a bus. I checked the timestamps and there was just over 30 seconds between BK's vote putting EC ahead and Baudib joining. Which is just about enough time for him to realise what was happening and get on for cred.

He had a good interaction with EC where he pushed back against their AZ read, but again I wouldn't call that entirely clearing

The way they treated me though still feels very genuine. The things they've found suspicious makes total sense for a town to pick up on, but they went to look up my past meta and felt like they were really weighing up my alignment in their mind and trying to solve me rather than just push an agenda.

Which can also be seen when EC first picked up votes with an hour or so to go, I wasn't around and was sitting there as a viable counterwagon, they chose to vote Wade instead.

I would like to ask @baudib1 why it was they did that?

But it would seem to make far more sense if they were a wolf trying to deflect away from partner EC to try and get Wade and others to vote me, rather than others to vote Wade.

If I'm wrong on anyone I think they'd be it, but my initial thoughts to start the day off are a Poe of lily/Prince/blue guitar/bluelock probably just wins

If Rem's a wolf then blue guitar's worth looking at, but their iso isn't really that bad.

Struggling for meaningful wolfreads at this point

what do I have to do with blue guitar?

You signal boosting my read on them on a couple of occasions felt a little unnatural, and I don't know that w!you would do that for a random villager

btw no offense Brad, but if I was wolf you wouldn't find me so easy

and you "should know" that because you just wolfed with me 1 game so you know me from top to bottom

I really shouldn't townread this post but I can't help it

Think I'm at something like

Cape
Prince

Bluekang

Schweppes
Blue lock
Blue guitar

Rem
Baudib
Kuti

With the rest somewhere between the groups of 3 in no real impression land

If ciderhead flips red as I suspect, I would look at the names not here. Not all his teammates will be in there. But I would say one is.

Why do you wolfread me again?

i cant get any more info from this game i feel lol. i still dont think it's cape AND cider. there has to be a different wolf

[Prince J]

Cape is towny this page

I have quite a few issues with his meta read on me being bonkers incorrect a tad

But yeah

It's worked for me so far, if you are deep wolf grats :). But it's like I have observed that you care about yourself as wolf more then solving and tend to fluff more when you can (or just say less useful words then the words you speak as town)

Eeeeeeh no not really but this is just a personal point that I’m naggin on

[Abraxas]

I'm just sitting here laughing as u all run in circles when cider is literally 0 posting as a wolf

your mafia

[lilypetal]

Cider is not the vig. He would've claimed.

The vig is fairly obvious and dying tonight for a multitude of reasons. Can hammer the wolf whenever

[baudib1]

But like imagine the guy who had voted wrong every day and has the wolfiest vote of them game somehow blaming me for Schweppes.

[Prince J]

I'm just sitting here laughing as u all run in circles when cider is literally 0 posting as a wolf

I just wanted to get home from work but probs will vote before bed and whatever happens happens as it’s been about 2 days.

Hope the fella’s alright tho as he hasn’t even checked in but just a thought

[lilypetal]

I'm just sitting here laughing as u all run in circles when cider is literally 0 posting as a wolf

your mafia

Good read

[Cape90]

If Cider is vig, baud is spewed town off that flip so. And I think he's spewed not vig anyways since for some reason I am the only one who thinks it's entirely possible

[baudib1]

##Vote Ciderhead

[Mafia Host]

Weekend at Taffy's Day 4 Votecount

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
4	Ciderhead	Kuti plz (21), Rem (28), lilypetal (41), baudib1 (92)
1	baudib1	A Mi-Gos Blue Guitar (16)
1	Rem	Abraxas (46)
3	Not voting	Ciderhead (0), Prince J (44), Cape90 (52)

View Vote History

End day at majority is enabled. With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to reach majority.

Day 4 ends at 6:00 PM EST on Sunday, February 5th, 2023. There are 1675638060000 remaining.

[lilypetal]

We know cider isn't vig off day 2 wagons. He would've claimed

Come on cape lol

[Cape90]

##Vote Ciderhead

wow we did it Rem we won the game, man i distanced so hard from you tee hee

[Mafia Host]

Weekend at Taffy's Day 4 Final Votecount

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
5	Ciderhead	Kuti plz (21), Rem (28), lilypetal (42), baudib1 (92), Cape90 (53)
1	baudib1	A Mi-Gos Blue Guitar (16)
1	Rem	Abraxas (46)
2	Not voting	Ciderhead (0), Prince J (44)

View Vote History

End day at majority is enabled. With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to reach majority.

Ciderhead was eliminated. They were: Vanilla Town.

Role PM for Weekend at Taffy's

You are Vanilla Town. You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.

Day 4 has ended.

Day 4 ended at 8:31 PM EST on Saturday, February 4th, 2023.

[Mafia Host]

Weekend at Taffy's Night 4 Start

Night 4 has begun.

Please submit your night actions below the thread.

Night 4 ends at 6:00 PM EST on Friday, February 10th, 2023. There are 1676070060000 remaining.

[Taffy]

Ciderhead Death Narration

I think CiderHead is the reason our host is dead.

That would probably be the alcohol

I wish I could enjoy alcohol.

I'm drinking and working

She turns to alcohol for comfort.

Too loose with the booze.

Hey they said they could take a drink it's not my fault

this drunkard needs to be stopped.

I hate that this is probably true

Well it warms my heart that at least someone is asking themselves how and why I died. Or maybe that's just the booze. Anyway, great way to get some product placement in, so good job!

[Mafia Host]

Weekend at Taffy's Night 4 Results

Prince J has died. They were: Vanilla Town.

Role PM for Weekend at Taffy's

You are Vanilla Town. You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.

Night 4 has ended.

Night 4 ended at 6:00 PM EST on Friday, February 10th, 2023.

[Mafia Host]

Weekend at Taffy's Day 5 Start

Day 5 has begun.

Living Players

@A Mi-Gos Blue Guitar
@Abraxas
@baudib1
@Cape90
@Kuti plz
@lilypetal
@Rem

Day 5 ends at 6:00 PM EST on Sunday, February 12th, 2023. There are 1676242860000 remaining.