I already answered your question
I already answered your question
That's probably not exactly what I was thinking.
When Newcomb answers I'll say more.
If I subbed in and my last two teammates proceeded to get lynched and shot the not after, I'd probably considering just throwing in the towel.
You are the one doubting a clear because you claim I'm a vanilla scum, who figured out how the names worked in this game (and would have shared with my team because daychat is in this game). I'm showing you proof that the scum didn't know how the names worked later in the game, so that foundation can't be true.
When presented information that your arguments might be wrong, throwing your hands up and saying you don't care is a weird tack to take. There's only so many people that can be in the PoE, why aren't you eager to clear one out?
I'm trying to direct you to where the actual scum are in the PoE, and the first step of that is to get you to stop thinking its me.I'm still not really here, but I saw this and I have another assumption what was going on with that claim, and it's not "Mafia did not understand how rolenames worked."
Remember when Creme full-claimed, they actually didn't claim straight up vig. They claimed 1/2 vig. 1/2 bulletproof, and if they killed they lost the bullet-proof and if they got shot at they lost the vig.
Now that role makes a lot more sense to be named "Bully" under the naming conventions as we understand them, and I think that was always going to be the planned "full" claim for Vaimes. And that way he has a chance to avoid a straight-up counter-claim because the claim isn't identical. I think they were likely worried about the possibility of a town role named "Docky" so he's never claiming that because no one is going to believe the Town would have 2 Dockys.
Town seemed unlikely to have 2 "Viggys" also, but this claim was still safer. Had I counter-claimed him D1, I am sure he would have pulled out the bullet-proof thing then and maybe raised doubts.
Anyway, that's what I think.
I gotta re-read Rhand.
That is probably where I start. I don't really expect to uncover some smoking gun, though, because I think he's better than to leave something like that lying around, but, you never know....
talked about it with cyan yesterday I believe
stall, expand the PoE, go limp are the classic options
@NipplemanI know you would. You did once, didn't you? One of our recent games ended in a scum concession with you as the final scum, right? Or am I misremembering?
Anyway. Anak is doing a lot of arguing and not a lot of trying to get himself replaces as the yeet. Is trying to convince me -and only me? maybe Rhand?- that he should be towncleared of equal value to the last scum than setting up a replacemtn yeet today? If he manages the first, the second follows but does how likely is Anak to do that?
Isn't this just really likely to lose for him? Or am I missing something? Is this final-scum-Anak?
We surrendered in a game where there was a really over powered town, but i was in that game originally.
Ah.
So what do you say about the other thing?
As far as Anak goes, I just imagine wim is at an all time low. PoE is kind of boring. All we have to do is try to convince people to try someone else, regardless of who the wolf is.
To Anaks point, i dont think how he is responding is alignment indicative.
Still not caught up yet but I would hesitate to talk about surrendering and what/would the final wolf do, pretty sure it's against the rules
Final wolf in this game imo wants us to have a good time and not have this game be a sweep after the wolves collectively imploded EoD1
He was trying to convince me before. I mean, if he is town from his perspective, all but one person pushing him are also town.
Do something other than quoting me the rules, Jan Brady. No one is actually suggesting to actually quit. Just an observation that i would expect the last wolf to be at an all time wim low.
Newcomb - in situations like these do you still think there is merit to real time interactions or would it just be a good idea to just look at the history of the game
I assume the last wolf is just pouring as much wine as possible onto their play with any hopes of making it out of the PoE but idk if it differs when it's not f3
Another option we can do to win this game is form an unbreakable towncore and execute everyone outside of it, right? Like how we won Gemma's alt game a couple of years ago?
Yeah yeah I know
I'll Do Things tonight and dedicate some time to this game
Anaklusmos
Axelrod - core
Cyan - core
Duplicitous Weasel - core?
Jackrito
MandersHex - core
Newcomb
Nippleman
Prophylaxis - core
Rhand
I guess this works if our vig can still shoot and doesn’t go hero shooting in the core. And if DW is trusted enough to be core.
@Anaklusmos the vig that shot Eco is obviously town. Why even ask me that?
Thebproblem with an unbreable town core is the poe is too wide I think. Axel wifom aside
It works if and only if Axel still has a shot.
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I'm super unsure what to do atm. I still think that Rhand is last wolf trying to widen the POE to stay alive longer, but the more that this day carries on doubts are starting to set in. Mainly because whenI think someone is a wolf this bad, I'm wrong most of the time so history not on my side.
I'm super not feeling strongly about anyone else either though.
I don't think this setup would have 3 vigs that seems super weird, but I have no idea how else Eco could of died so it's odd. It worked out though so it's a good thing overall. I have some possible theories on why, but not going to put them out there because its not helpful and could ruin potential gambits.
Going back to POE if I'm wrong on Rhand that would leave me with Anak, DW, Newcomb, and Nippleman. Going through that I still want to believe I'm right on Nipplemans slot based off what I said about Sloth, DW is the same my views from day one still hold and their play today does not Change that. Which leaves me with Anak and Newcomb if Im nlt having a real bad game. who both got cleared early on in the claiming situation which has been discussed a lot today.
To look at them Newcomb came into ready to sheep Proph which is not working because Proph busy, after they they have settled on me being a wolf and just calling it a day. Which I hate, but l understand based off situation. Kpaca actions really make that slot town in my eyes though, their pushs while overly aggressive on Manders and Rhand felt real and not forced reads. Their drop of Push on Manders also felt town could easily of pushed that through and no need for mind ganes day one. I also think with their whole gambit thing it only comes from.a wolf in a situation where wolfs plan to do some acting to appear town from it.which with one wolf left clearly did not happen.
Doing Anak view in next post.
IMO 99% of the time in games like this the answers are already in the thread, usually D1. like at what point during this game were wolves playing with a plurality of options? definitely not past like mid d2 i'd say
that being said I do feel somewhat guilty for giga coasting so if you wanna bounce stuff off me i'm into that
Yeah nothing is really doing it for me when it comes to the Anak slot. They start off with some basic stuff, the first real vote is one of Shinchi which tbh feels very forced for that point of the game. Following this Eco who Anak has defended a fair bit questions Anak vote on Shinchi in detail, but then ends it with a vote on D_V that's just super jarring. After that they get into a argument with Manderscwhich tbf I know how that feels so not judging anything there.
Then we get the whole claim situation which has being discussed at length today. Looking back at this as a gotcha moment I'm not fully sure how it even made sense. Disagreeing with a Vanilla claim because their name is different to yours is odd. It's not a Limted role vanilla, they can be multiple and would have different names. It's widely accepted now wolfs would of had a example pm and if not they is one in the OP. This feels more like a attempt to clear themselves off a CC then one trying to catch a wolf.
Moving onto their reqdlist in 1326, just going to look at the views on the flipped wolfs here. They have Eco as strong town here and give a very strong endorsement they are town. My issue is their treatment of Eco for wolf reading them is so different to how Anak treats others that wolf read them eariler in the day. Or even today for example Anak normally treat wolf reads on then with aggression. On to the Tom slot for someone who they strongly scum read half the day, they have somehow nkw got a no read there even though they were very stubborn about how their vote there was Justifed, and people were shading them. AZ as I said in day one was not doing great so imo did not do enough for Anak to move from a wolf read to a no read.They were Wolf teading Vaimes which is good, but it was very uncertain and very uncommitted on it. Just felt like has to put them down there, but does not want to.
This is proved more EOD when they are heavily defending Vaimes and choose Vezok over them this does fit with their readlist because Vezok was worse, but the defense of Vaimes still feels off if they were wolf reading them. EOD is then a lot of comments and vote changing vetween Vezok, Sloth and Manders. I truly would of expected them to jump on the Tom wagon also because that was a valid option, but never did which is interesting.they clearly were fine, vote swapping, but stayed away from that.
Moving to day 2 their reaction to the Eco claim feels like a planned reaction,it big ups the claim then puts doubt on Manders who appears like Eco had planned to get in a thunderdome with.
Moving to today their reactions to Rhand and DW pushing them is not q great look. DW us now more of a wolf then me apprebtky even though EOD 1 voting made DW likely town eariler. It is what I meant about their Eco view before was jarring when scum read Anak really tends to WIFOM apart from when Eco did it.
So overall Anak's treatment of the wolf slots imo espically Eco at times feels very much like teammates. I'm happy enough changing my vote to here today. I just need to decide if I'm actually wrong on Rhand or not. On evidence Anak does look a lot worse, but that could be partly down to Rhand's lack of day one where the large amount of content happened. I'm conflicted because I really want to be right on Rhand since that was my consistent wolf read, and will hate myself if I'm right and he lives through this. Anak's play is a lot worse though, but Town can just be bad also and WIFOM a lot. My own treatment of the wolfs slots is not espically great either. I will think on this, and come back later.
Great posts from Jackrito.
I think I'm comfortable with a POE of just Anak and Newcomb now.
was supposed to Do Things but accidentally watched a movie instead
will try to be posting up a storm tomorrow morning. really sorry for my $%#!ty participation this week
i'm fine with accepting Axel/Cyan/Manders as Lock Town though. Newcomb is almost up these for me but it's mostly just due to the fact that I think shinichi heavily tmi'd kpaca as town early on
Show your work with Newcomb.was supposed to Do Things but accidentally watched a movie instead
will try to be posting up a storm tomorrow morning. really sorry for my $%#!ty participation this week
i'm fine with accepting Axel/Cyan/Manders as Lock Town though. Newcomb is almost up these for me but it's mostly just due to the fact that I think shinichi heavily tmi'd kpaca as town early on
I also still need to figure out if trying to townclear himself had the same value as setting up future yeets.
I'm inclined to say probably yes.
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Same. Now we wait for these lock town people to actually want to end the game
Are they?
Why do you think?
Wait for Rhand. But also I would like an answer if you have thighs.
Thoughts* but also if you have thighs.
Understood.Wait for Rhand. But also I would like an answer if you have thighs.
@MandersHex
Do you have any opinions on current players? Any reason they shouldn't be on the poe? Or should? Talk to us.
Hm. I have thoughts. Will say later.
@Nippleman go ahead
I was going to say, he is thought dumping, but the thoughts seem logical.
There isn't really any silver bullet post that makes any one in the lock towns "PoE" that obvious wolf post. Even what I posted about the two posts that flipped the coin for Anak in my mind is based on his interaction with Vaimes/Vezok. The unsureness makes sense. I think Anak wins the game, and if you asked me to quantify how sure I was about that, it's more than 50% but probably not by much. 60-65%, tops?
If you are trying to solve the PoE and actually working, this feels like a rough game, especially if you are in it, and Jack's read on Anak/general stream on Conscious came off to me very sincere.
!remind me 3 weeks
If you think we are both that wrong, do something about it.
I am, i'm voting jack
#1 lynch candidate is happy to see #4-6 Lynch candidates get run up before him. News at 11.
actually that was a bit snarky, let me try again
my take is that the core issue of "this seems sincere" vs. "no it doesn't" isn't a productive thing to argue about because you're essentially both leaning on all your mafia experience and intuition as opposed to something that can be traced back to an attributable village or wolf mindset
Like, that back and forth would consist of me pointing out the parts that are classically IIoA and wolfy hedging and then you talking about how you perceived the sincerity in those things
it's a square peg / round hole thing, not super productive IMO
as long as you guys kill that slot before the game ends i'm bing chillin
I mean, I read his ISO. Ill be honest, I didn't feel overwhelmingly town feelings, but I thought I leaned more town on him than not. His more recent posts I liked, but that's because of the PoE, he/Rhand are reading better to me *shrugs*
We’re gonna have a long post game chat when you’re not yeeting Anak in the final 3.
How did you arrive in this Rhand tunnel?
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