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KJ was a nurse and got Vaimes/Creme's role when he died :upside-down-smily-face:
Also last time I ever try to defend teammates I was hoping my bus meta, would make it seen like Im town. The EOD1 stuff was suicide for anyone else.
Haha yeah, that's where I was going before I read more of the game (and after I asked Rhand to towncase himself). I thought you were town because there was no way wolf!you would very publicly defend your buddies.
Good job, town
Proph I wasn't meaning to be too hard on you I was just trying to prod the day as I felt like it was stagnant.
Yeah, don't worry, you're good.
I was just trying to figure out why we had such conflicting reads for most of D1 and your stubbornness kind of made me throw my hands up in the air for a bit. I realized you were town near the end there which is why I started sheeping you.
Being the only mislunch makes me sad. At least I had perfect reads before I died
you were one of my strongest townreads!! i was very unhappy that i was forced to chop you
sorry btw y'all for holding up the game here at the end
i was legitimately super busy and needed to put in my couple of hours of work to find the final wolf, which i didn't get a chance to really until tonight
@Jackrito I think you did a great job this last Day. I really didn't think it was you anymore.
rhand btw your towncase was great
i needed that to find you. reading more of the game as opposed to the first 25 pages also got me there
Modkill for $%#!ing what! Having a role? A role that you literally put in one of the game rules verbatim?For what it's worth, I didn't think enough about this until Day 3, and I apologize; realistically there should have been serious consideration of modkills for Anak/Cyan/kpaca once angleshooting on role PM wording began.
Did you consider, you know, not giving every Vanilla AND every Fammy Vanilla the exact same role? I am sure that you thought this would prevent role analysis, even though role analysis is a key aspect of the game of Mafia, but ultimately you just created a tremendously swingy setup that the mafia had very little chance at winning unless it's a team full of scum all stars. And even then, it's a tough uphill battle.
I don't want to come as ungrateful, Osie. I appreciate you hosting. Accusing us of doing something worth modkill is just offensive, though, and I truly don't think it impacted the perspective players had thet much. When on Day 3, Anak's claim came under doubt, and it was behavior that got him out of it.
The scum team had the odds stacked against them based on the various town roles and crossover. The players selected made it a bit worse. Half of them replacing out made it even worse still, and Axel butchering them just completely sunk them.
The scum team was entirely exposed before the end of the first day. I spent the whole end of the day trying to get 3 people wagoned, and they were all scum. I'm almost positive that AZ gets lynched Day 1 if he doesn't replace out.
Even then, Vaimes claim was brilliant z except for the part where the town had an actual Vig.
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But you're right. If anything, you got the opposite of breaks.
Assuming Creme tried to kill me N1 as was speculated, missing out on that was brutal. Had said Jill worked, things could have gone so much differently for you guys.
DW gaining Cremes role is just a ridiculous dagger; it doesn't seem like he should have been able to gain scum roles honestly. Universal backup is very powerful as it is.
Cyan, Format Claiming has been expressly banned for a long time. I agree with the Azreal sentiment though.Modkill for $%#!ing what! Having a role? A role that you literally put in one of the game rules verbatim?For what it's worth, I didn't think enough about this until Day 3, and I apologize; realistically there should have been serious consideration of modkills for Anak/Cyan/kpaca once angleshooting on role PM wording began.
Did you consider, you know, not giving every Vanilla AND every Fammy Vanilla the exact same role? I am sure that you thought this would prevent role analysis, even though role analysis is a key aspect of the game of Mafia, but ultimately you just created a tremendously swingy setup that the mafia had very little chance at winning unless it's a team full of scum all stars. And even then, it's a tough uphill battle.
I don't want to come as ungrateful, Osie. I appreciate you hosting. Accusing us of doing something worth modkill is just offensive, though, and I truly don't think it impacted the perspective players had thet much. When on Day 3, Anak's claim came under doubt, and it was behavior that got him out of it.
The scum team had the odds stacked against them based on the various town roles and crossover. The players selected made it a bit worse. Half of them replacing out made it even worse still, and Axel butchering them just completely sunk them.
The scum team was entirely exposed before the end of the first day. I spent the whole end of the day trying to get 3 people wagoned, and they were all scum. I'm almost positive that AZ gets lynched Day 1 if he doesn't replace out.
Even then, Vaimes claim was brilliant z except for the part where the town had an actual Vig.
I'm really frustrated by how bad form that replacement was actually.
I don't know what format claiming is. Hell. I don't even know what cfd means. The scum used this term a bunch in their chat and I couldn't work out the context of it.Cyan, Format Claiming has been expressly banned for a long time. I agree with the Azreal sentiment though.Modkill for $%#!ing what! Having a role? A role that you literally put in one of the game rules verbatim?For what it's worth, I didn't think enough about this until Day 3, and I apologize; realistically there should have been serious consideration of modkills for Anak/Cyan/kpaca once angleshooting on role PM wording began.
Did you consider, you know, not giving every Vanilla AND every Fammy Vanilla the exact same role? I am sure that you thought this would prevent role analysis, even though role analysis is a key aspect of the game of Mafia, but ultimately you just created a tremendously swingy setup that the mafia had very little chance at winning unless it's a team full of scum all stars. And even then, it's a tough uphill battle.
I don't want to come as ungrateful, Osie. I appreciate you hosting. Accusing us of doing something worth modkill is just offensive, though, and I truly don't think it impacted the perspective players had thet much. When on Day 3, Anak's claim came under doubt, and it was behavior that got him out of it.
The scum team had the odds stacked against them based on the various town roles and crossover. The players selected made it a bit worse. Half of them replacing out made it even worse still, and Axel butchering them just completely sunk them.
The scum team was entirely exposed before the end of the first day. I spent the whole end of the day trying to get 3 people wagoned, and they were all scum. I'm almost positive that AZ gets lynched Day 1 if he doesn't replace out.
Even then, Vaimes claim was brilliant z except for the part where the town had an actual Vig.
I'm really frustrated by how bad form that replacement was actually.
Reading over the scum chat, Axel had good reason for replacing out. It's just unfortunate that he happened to be mafia.
Ouch. GG town, you outplayed us comphrehensively. I have complaints about the setup (vanillas having the same name, two different roles called "Docky", and a silly amount of bonus kills), but massive thanks to Osie for running this game under challenging circumstances and with less help than wanted. Despite my concerns, the setup was a decently balanced (if swingy), and the Familial mechanic is a very cool one with lots of design space.
On a personal level, this game was a disappointment: I did not play well. Mostly because I am apparently so rusty that I don't think I could play town well, let alone pretend to be one. Also really not a fan of the evolution of meta - 2200 posts D1 was actually horrible to wade through, and the deadline scramble (~600 posts in the last 24 hours of D1) is something I strongly dislike (even though I can rarely participate because of time zones). But I realise this is me not getting with the times - you clearly don't need 12 day deadlines if activity is like it was D1.
So GG again, thanks for hosting Osie, it was nice to see everyone again even if the game itself wasn't all that fun. So it goes.
Format claiming is talking about the format of the role PM. Here it's taking advantage of the fact that all the vanillas had the same name. It's bad form (e.g. it's why the town win con is usually public knowledge), but the setup is at fault for allowing it - it was inevitable that it would come up.
cfd = Chinese Fire Drill. In mafia it means very rapidly creating wagons, usually near the deadline.
I'm with you on Day 1. It was a ridiculous slog , and so many of the posts had *so much content*, due to the amazing technical capabilities of this site. For people like us who don't know those capabilities though, it's miserable. Being scum in that scenario seems so much worse. You did your best. Don't get too down about it.
The end of Day 1 was just atrocious for me, as well. It's exactly what I dislike seeing most in a game of mafia.
Despite the challenges you faced, you guys came through Day 1 okay. If Vaimes just claims his true role, between it being half a Doc, and so many townies having the exact same role, I think the town probably convinces itself that his role could be real. And then when MH claims her also neutered Doc role with the exact same role name, I think the town believes Vaimes a little more. The town would almost certainly just ask him to use his killing part a bunch to clear out unknowns, which maybe doesn't work out in the long run, but I think it works out better than claiming Vig and just... hoping there is no actual Vig.
I think this rule is pretty null and void when the Town Vanilla Role is listed in a rules spoiler. It only helped me because I literally did not know that at the time.
Format claiming is talking about the format of the role PM. Here it's taking advantage of the fact that all the vanillas had the same name. It's bad form (e.g. it's why the town win con is usually public knowledge), but the setup is at fault for allowing it - it was inevitable that it would come up.
cfd = Chinese Fire Drill. In mafia it means very rapidly creating wagons, usually near the deadline.
I wasn't even thinking of myself in that moment, my concern was entirely that Kpaca had claimed almost exactly my role except having the word pants in it for no known reason. I was suspicious of Kpaca a bit there,(which is why I didn't actually claim, I wanted to have that bullet for later if necessary) and annoyed at Anak for blowing it, but somehow it just resulted in everyone being seen as town by everyone
OH! I wanted to clarify one other thing also. @Nippleman: I was definitely not accusing you of angleshooting. I only know that term from the context of poker, which is not what I was getting at here. I used the term angle because like..the scum absolutely do have an angle to all of their posts, and it's the towns job to work that out. I apologize if you took that as me accusing you of angleshooting in the poker sense. That is emphatically not what I meant.
Yet another person who didn't read the OP. Lovely.
I agree with Silver's push for 5/2 phases.
What? I thought it meant Counter $%#!ing Derailment as un you are derailing one wagon for another.
Format claiming is talking about the format of the role PM. Here it's taking advantage of the fact that all the vanillas had the same name. It's bad form (e.g. it's why the town win con is usually public knowledge), but the setup is at fault for allowing it - it was inevitable that it would come up.
cfd = Chinese Fire Drill. In mafia it means very rapidly creating wagons, usually near the deadline.
Wow, I'm so glad to see my GUT READ OF JACKRITO WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG.
I'd like clarification on why @kpaca was forcibly replaced, please and thank you.
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So they do not get buried, as was the original intention with locking the thread.
Thread's open again, woo
let me play in the next one
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