p#64 balanced view on Destiny's opening, stopped Marl's scum read and then developed that into a read on Marl, seems good
p#66 re-evaluates marl again, good insight into marl being LAMIST because that's also what I felt like reading Marl's posts on initial skim. Super good that the marl read has 180d in the space of three posts tbh, good looking out for reasoning
p#68 defends Parrot, defends Batman, diminishes town reads on Radar. I don't think this post is bad, in fact it's probably quite good. Just feels kinda natural defences rather than any kind of TMI and the points about Radar are :shrug: feels a bit unnecessary but not gonna give any negative points for paranoia
p#70 another good post. Even though they diminished the town read on Radar (that GTAC made), it shows they're actually thinking about what it means for GTAC in the grand scheme of things. Also cognisant that Marl starting early and hard on giving reads is good for the overall game of generating information.
makes a throwaway vote on a 0 poster, meh, bit fluffy. At least gives a good reason for it in p#73 (that most of the talkers so far look quite good), which is fair. Gives a bit of a scum read on Jeekaka in this post but I don't think anything particularly comes from it. I'm not sure what they dislike about it. It's unoriginal? I guess? Meh, Jeekaka's reasoning seems kinda similar to points 0lx had about Marl before, just missing the final conclusion of "marl isn't actually that bad" but I guess I can see it being generic to them if it's basically just the same reasoning as them. Is fine in the grand scheme of things I guess.
p#77 is good batman call out, especially coupled with p#91 (which was obvious)
p#86 initial Vulgard call out, same reasoning I gave so ++, also calls out Vulgard's other reasoning. I don't really see a conclusion on Vulgard here other than disagreeing though. Feel like it's just short of calling Vulgard scummy. Bit meek considering they were fine voting a 0 poster maybe.
p#106 keeps the Vulgard suspicion open for re-evaluation when Parrot starts sniffing there (says they actually removed the paranoia in Vulgard's next posts - meh, at least that's constantly evaluating but I don't like that it was dropped. I suppose they were directly involved with Vulgard interactions so some culpability can be offloaded)
p#109 similar reason to why I think Radar is probably a townie, this post seems incredulous to people calling them townie (Vulgard calling 0lx townie) which is a good look. Would assume a mafia them would not try and belittle a town read or really question it like this. Sure, it's possible, but just another thing to weigh up.
p#151 is a fine post. Acknowledges Vulgard's (imo good/fine) reasons for town reading them, stops Marl reading parrot with iffy logic and then evaluates parrot some more (consistent direction with focusing on parrot slightly earlier).
p#189 is fine with most of my post because it sort of echoes what they said earlier, but is happy to point out parts they didn't like (which is good). Doesn't really make a conclusion on my alignment, just assuming it's ++ points otherwise they would have said something?
p#190 is a good post (chasing Marl on how Marl just randomly dropped their name in a poe of 3 people that have spoken so far - I agree, it was very random)
p#193 also good post calling out Parrot about the GTAC meme posts.
p#194 biased because my name says the words "rlly logical" next to it. Not sure where their clearing of Vulgard really went in the context of the thread though, they seemed to scum read him sort of, back off on that scum read due to his responses and now have it again. Also similar to the Marl read, afaik the last time they spoke about Marl was the LAMIST stuff that they backed off of. They do kinda concede that marl is probably town but seems a bit at odds with what they've written. Rest is kinda fine and consistent.
p#195 forgot Radar but similar reasons to why I think Radar is probably town
After just saying "Mikkel, Destiny, Onjit and Rampposi" are all kinda null, they ask Rampposi a question in p#197 which is a good follow up (Rampposi's post p#198 is quite good tbh).
They just kinda meander a bit after this and then vote Batman in p#215 (good)
Updates read on Jalandh after catch up (town read), narrows down the pool even more. Doesn't look like they're keeping options open or hedging. Just seemed concerned with solving.
1. You said that Marl was pretty townie in p#73 when you ignore the LAMIST points but in your read list later (p#194) you kind of hedged on Marl some more, outlining they'd be capable of all this as mafia. Why did you feel the need to add that in? What's the discerning factor here that makes you think Marl is townie over mafia, when he's capable of this?
2. You said that Vulgad was suspcious because of his first post(s) and then updated that read to be Vulgard looking better after their responses to you but then in your reads list, again, you seem to have diminished that read and sort of started calling them mafia because mylsef and Parrot started gunning for him. What made this read erode?
Pretty townie drive for understanding situations and updating reads throughout the game. Has had a consistent world view that they've seemed to want to update and also seem inquisitive about things that irk them. Some hang ups based on their reads list, but only minorly so.
Comfortable calling them townie.
Anyway...I've played with Marluxion and BATMAN before.
0lx still top town, since she hasn't posted anything since I made that read.
No idea what BATMAN's up to but will give him time.
Destiny...I liked her response to pressure but she hasn't really done anything contributory and her readslist is super unimpressive.
Green Parrot: I'm really struggling to adapt to his playstyle, but I've made the mistake of scumreading people for weird playstyles in past Champs games. So trying not to rush to judgment, but I don't like how focused he's been on Vulgate. Readslist is fairly OK but I don't know why BATMAN is top scum, and I really don't know why onjit is so high. Will try to ISO later today.
GTACC: Still waiting for his resurrection. Anyone have meta on this guy? Could he just be lurker scum?
Holyflare: Not sure. I don't think I've ever seen anyone drop a big WoW case that early, but it seems like something scum would be less likely to do, and someone said it was NAI for him.
Jalandh: Made a lot of posts but I don't have any clear memory of them, except for him being all in on the Vulgard wagon. Need to ISO.
jeekaka is a player in this game and has a cute avatar. That's all I got for now.
Marluxion is probably town, and if he is he won't live long. Will seriously reevaluate if he isn't NKed in the first few Nights.
Mikkel: I don't want to be mean but his posts so far look like he's out of his depth in this game. He's as likely to be scum as anyone else, and if he's town he's showed no signs of being potentially useful to us, so I would definitely be OK with this yeet Today if he doesn't step it up.
onjit: Agree with Marluxion, meme was cool but not really a townie response to pressure. Overall I'm getting a strong vibe of floundering scum here.
Radar09: Generally townie vibe but not a lot to go on.
Rampposi: Hasn't given us a lot but no obvious red flags.
Vulgard: Not sure he's town but he's nowhere near the scummiest player available for Today's lunch.
Gotta go do some work, back in a couple hours.
But for now
I just posted my game opinions 31 minutes before you asked this....
I want GTACC to convince me that he is not scum, until then my vote stands.
Yayayayyy I finally have time today
Idk why because I rlly rlly thought I'd have time this week, especially because I don't even have uni, but I also can't rlly be online at all tomorrow .-.
I swear it won't be like this every day, it just is unlucky rn with me having a ton of activities today and then me not being home for most of tmrw (I get back from Amsterdam long past the deadline F)
So my plan is to just near postcap in the next couple of hours because like; I can't rlly spend them at a diff time anyway. This also means that I'd appreciate some live convo because I can't rlly post 80 times in a row lmao. Anyway I'll reply to stuff after this post!
194, they aren't at all lockscum to me
>Triple reply to clog the chat less
I also don't rlly see how you're seeing those responses (the ones in the post I quoted, click the number if u wanna view) as townie ones? I know it was explained after but I don't agree
Like this oftenly
And those lines would then
All be in diff posts
Vulgard: Suddenly swayed :thinking:
Also yea I'm very negative, just my playstyle p much. I just call anything out that I find sus lol (along with some things I found townie). AKA why I'm kinda anti PoE because I'm looking way more into scum indications than into town indications
Vaguely here if you wanna chat about someone 0Ix. Was meant to ISO every player but got annoyingly called away, so that'll happen later.
332 is a fine readslist to me. I don't rlly agree with most but atleast there's explanations. Do think treatment of Mikkel is somewhat odd, considering they first kinda doubted Rampposi but now are sheeping their read. Mostly good tho and seems consistent with what Vul has earlier said.
Jeekaka's response to being townread is kinda good ngl
Your catchup got a lot of towncred from me
Pretty good? Don't have any problems with you (wrote a lot about it in the actual ISO) so it's just more of the same that I saw before really.
I think I feel the same way as you about Batman. A lot of ego and bravado about things he clearly has no actual grasp on. Doesn't particularly know the setup well, hasn't really elaborated on reads to any meaningful extent very well and when he does elaborate them (his Vulgard vs me read for instance) it's just a completely sloppy evaluation that didn't actually hold true to what he was saying (p#359 are my remarks about it).
If the people he was talking about (Onjit etc) stepped up to any meaningful extent and outplayed their current status and started blossoming townie rainbows I'd be all over him as obvious mafia but I can't really rationalise going for him when the slots he's picking as potential mafia aren't actually that bad pushes. I suppose you could say they're LHF (low hanging fruit) and he's just going for the easiest miselims he can really get that don't throw much shade at him and that's possibly a point but maybe slight townie moments like agreeing that Destiny might actually be townie LHF makes me err on the side of caution and think we probably shouldn't really go there, at least for a bit.
348 I agree on A LOT, so that makes me automatically like Flare more. Reasoning in 349 on BATMAN too lol, couldn't have said it better myself
Also to reply to 534; the second paragraph is exactly how I feel yea. I also just think it's odd how he seems to expect people to know the setup completely well yet messes up on what mafia roles can appear, with them being a diff set in all 6 (supposedly, I didn't actually fact check that)
I suppose your third paragraph is fine tho f. But as you stated, could just be going for LHFs so I don't think it's a full-on clear, just one townie move among alot of shadiness
It's also abundantly clear that Batman is playing without actually catching up the thread (think he said as much), which becomes increasingly annoying when he's playing with incomplete information and semi-antagonistically berating people for things that have already changed. Not sure he'd particularly do that as mafia. ALSO, he tried to give me an olive branch to stop diminishing his play and let him get on with his own world, which I thought was an ok/slightly townie post to make, so maybe even more benefit of the doubt that we shouldn't go there for a bit.
@The Mighty Quinn
Gotta dash off again, sorry, but I'll try and ISO everyone this evening. Getting a lot of motivation to start spraying reads everywhere and breaking the game open, so expect more walls from me.
I wouldn't pursuit a carreer in math
Anyway line 3 doesn't seem at all like a reason to TR someone? 'Vulgard would do any of the possible things as wolf, so he's town' What? Line 4 bad too obv
360 is also just bizarre. Bat is doing nothing yet pretending like they're the champion
Well, I'm here if you want to talk!
>Sigh maybe I should start responding to less things at once, it's been more than an hour and this is only the 25th post I've produced in that time. And where is everyone else :/ Flare was here shortly
And just when I say that '1 new posts' appears
I have read your post regarding Vulgard's narrative and I understand your concerns about the conclusions being drawn prematurely. It is important to seek truth and justice with an open mind and without any biases or preconceived notions. I encourage you to continue to question and scrutinize any posts that may seem suspicious or lacking in substance.
I do agree with Holyflare's assessment of Vulgard's posts. Vulgard seems to be overly focused on digging up information without really contributing much to the discussion or providing any meaningful analysis. Their questioning of Batman's claim and their digging into 0lx's history appear to be more for show than for any real investigative purposes. Overall, I find Vulgard's approach to be more indicative of a mafia player trying to appear active without actually contributing much of substance to the game.
May the grace of the Lord be with you always.
As far as my sus on GreenParrot, I think they are being a great parrot. The thoughts being provided aren't original- in true fashion they are just cosigning. While day one original thoughts are challenging, not knowing player style is more challenging, it just seems overall BLAH. You just agree with everything the other players are saying?
Holy came in with intense notes, with the lackluster of the conversation previously, I don't believe "scum" which I think is what is being referred to as mafia here would do. Like the notes were intense and well thought out.
I work on a color system usually- less "who is evil" and more "who do I think isn't evil" and play process of elimination. Think of it as a stop light- green good; red bad. then blue, yellow, orange in the middle terms.
Quinn--- really no read here at all
and then everyone else I have some sort of sus.
I stand by for game moving reasons there is not reason to keep GTC in the game if the role playing is going to continue, and something just felt off on Jeekaka's responses. I will do a deep dive ISO to try to pin point it, but really it might just be a spidey feeling that you can't explain.
I dont love the vibe/connection/play that is happening between Vul & Batman and I will likely tunnel there until something is more clear between their relationship.