Mafia Universalis Game Thread

[katze]

me when the british win:

Mann

Katze why you no join DVC for spec when you be spec the gaem

i didnt actually spec the game that much, read some of d1/d2 then forgot it existed for a while

saw last night that the game was going into night with 2 town 1 sk 1 maf alive and was p confident boq was the SK (alice rands SK way too often) and wanted to see who'd win

and now im making mildly funny jokes as is my job

[Boquise]

when reading the iso it looked like the interactions I try to make as scum with my teammates tbh

I don't understand your second question

sod is very inconvenient for me I gtg rn, will be back at some point^tm

Why would I play like you do though?
My second question is: why do i not save TGT?

Your team is me plus my scum reads. My play doesn't make sense in your world view

so does that mean that you scumread all of manec and jason and mac?

the first question is fair but its like just a scummy thing to do generally fmpov, the fact that i do it is just an example

you know as well as i do how bad the second question is. you do not have enough threadpull to save that tgt wagon, and when it does flip eventually you look horrid.

No i scum read all of Jason, TGT and Manectric

But nanook disagree with my reason to town read csargo and i could've simply gone the route "let's sheep nanook", especially since the tgt wagon was swinging around

Why is it scummy exactly?

It is actually a super good question given the context. Especially since the TGT wagon was questioned and I was one of the few who stayed. Nanook had thread pull. I didn't sheep. TGT wasn't the designated yeet, yet I was one of the first to push and never relent. And like, you didn't really make it a secret that you would shade me if TGT flipped wolf, so why would I care? Maybe you are a wolf then since I could accuse you of TMI and setting up a misyeet. Is that a logical conclusion of yesterday?

*grittles teeth*

[asiago8]

im sorry boq </3

gg everyone i had a lot of fun

i was back and forth from manectric and boq so many times lol

that was suspenseful

[hollowkatt]

@asiago8 tyty for the carry well done!!

[Delta]

Good $%#! asiago :O

WP all!!

[Kajot]

Wp everyone and especially Asiago!

Congratulations for the win

[Boquise]

im sorry boq </3

gg everyone i had a lot of fun

i was back and forth from manectric and boq so many times lol

that was suspenseful

lmao

i was considering killing all three of you until i sat down on my computer an hour or so ago and decided to just town clear you smfh

[OUTM]

town would've won if boq actually believed that i outed asiago

[Delta]

im sorry boq </3

gg everyone i had a lot of fun

i was back and forth from manectric and boq so many times lol

that was suspenseful

lmao

i was considering killing all three of you until i sat down on my computer an hour or so ago and decided to just town clear you smfh

outplayed tbh

[OUTM]

because i did

[asiago8]

fun fact in the around 20 forum mafia games i have ever played in mafia has won every one

[Laurentus]

[Boquise]

im sorry boq </3

gg everyone i had a lot of fun

i was back and forth from manectric and boq so many times lol

that was suspenseful

lmao

i was considering killing all three of you until i sat down on my computer an hour or so ago and decided to just town clear you smfh

outplayed tbh

[Delta]

im sorry boq </3

gg everyone i had a lot of fun

i was back and forth from manectric and boq so many times lol

that was suspenseful

lmao

i was considering killing all three of you until i sat down on my computer an hour or so ago and decided to just town clear you smfh

outplayed tbh

hey thats not very nice D:

[Boquise]

because i did

it was a weird conversation to me that i in hindsight shouldve read more carefully

[lilypetal]

ggs!

[katze]

im sorry boq </3

gg everyone i had a lot of fun

i was back and forth from manectric and boq so many times lol

that was suspenseful

lmao

i was considering killing all three of you until i sat down on my computer an hour or so ago and decided to just town clear you smfh

outplayed tbh

boq has a new enemy, i am safe tbh

[Boquise]

im sorry boq </3

gg everyone i had a lot of fun

i was back and forth from manectric and boq so many times lol

that was suspenseful

lmao

i was considering killing all three of you until i sat down on my computer an hour or so ago and decided to just town clear you smfh

when reading through jason's and manectric's isos i was like "hmmmMMmm both are actually pretty townie, but one of them must be mafia because asiago is town tbh!!" smh smh

[Boquise]

lmao

i was considering killing all three of you until i sat down on my computer an hour or so ago and decided to just town clear you smfh

outplayed tbh

boq has a new enemy, i am safe tbh

Delta is a grunt who I have 3-0 against tbh

[Delta]

Delta is a grunt who I have 3-0 against tbh

fight me!!

we'll make it even >:)

[Delta]

GGs, very well played by asiago lets $%#!ing go!!

[asiago8]

outplayed tbh

boq has a new enemy, i am safe tbh

Delta is a grunt who I have 3-0 against tbh

deltown deltown he's our man

[asiago8]

GGs, very well played by asiago lets $%#!ing go!!

mafia.gg is the forum mafia champions

[Delta]

GGs, very well played by asiago lets $%#!ing go!!

mafia.gg is the forum mafia champions <3

damn right :pray:

[Kajot]

town would've won if boq actually believed that i outed asiago

Yeah you were really really close in the end, was hype to watch from the dead!

Manectric coming into the day questioning neither of Asiago or Boq dieing was also a nice moment

[Jason]

Sorry OUTM & town.

Very well played Asiago. Between you and Manectric you probably swayed me at the end there.

[Boquise]

i killed frost because he was the player who most aggressively scum read E4 and I felt like he would sus me too. So killed him before he had a chance to interact with me.

I killed Lily, after several changes, because I thought Nanook was the obvious mafia kill due to his eod play. RIP me lol. Thought mafia would prioritise Nanook > Kajot > Lily

I killed Kajot because, again, I thought Nanook was the obvious kill. SAD.

I finally killed Nanook myself because I figured he must be scum for being spared for so long. Also just getting rid of him for being clear town otherwise was good for me.

Battled it out a lot in my head with Jason/Manectric/Jason. Was kinda annoyed at the hammer because I cleared OUTM at the end and wanted to read stuff carefully.

My game plan was to town side in the day (pushing tgt who i thought was scum) and wolf side in the night, to quickly get rid of people who were too townie and to stress the game. I wanted to make myself look like non-sk by making posts that i hoped would be seen as too daring for an sk to make. Alas. If we had yeeted town instead of wolves I would have wolf hunted in the night tbh. Also wanted to place myself in the townie side of the poe, but not at the top.

My argument against me never killing Zenon was genuine and this:

The Zenon kill does clear me to the extent that I would not do it, because I simply play optimally as all alignments, and killing Zenon there is suboptimal for me. Thats just how it is. Like. If I as anti-town faction believe that Zenon is the other anti-town, I will shut up about the read and do away with her in the night. I dont broadcast my read for everyone to see, base my whole play on her, to then just kill her the next night. There is no contigency plan. It would also risk me being killed by her in that case. You are moving steps ahead also. Regardless of everything, we would still be at 5 players alive today, not 3. I would have to "vote out who I think was wolfiest" twice whilst justifying why I am alive. I would also have to invent new scum reads as I do so, since my one push is now gone. So no, killing Zenon during night is not a play I ever make in this context. I have also never lost a thunderdome solike. Like the play is pretty straightforward so I am baffled that you (and Manectric) don't see it? Hard tunnel Zenon today. Use that as a foil the next day depending on the flip. Easy street.

was actually my real plan. I had set up a me vs Zenon day and was legit annoyed at seeing scum killing her, since now I had to regroup.


I am ultimately happy for my play. SK is scary and it was a long time since I last played it. I always feel like I will get immediately caught for being awkward and aimless. I dunno what I could have done differently? Probably paid more attention in the F5 and explore the feeling that asiago was clearing me too quickly, just how i was clearing him too quickly. I find it okay to lose in this night tho since cross killing would be lame tbh

[Manectric]

I just decided it was weird people who had me as not scum suddenly started suspecting me the moment I was in a more vulnerable position right after an event that makes me less likely scum. Referencing of course the people who had me town dying and the people pushing me living.

[Boquise]

i killed frost because he was the player who most aggressively scum read E4 and I felt like he would sus me too. So killed him before he had a chance to interact with me.

I killed Lily, after several changes, because I thought Nanook was the obvious mafia kill due to his eod play. RIP me lol. Thought mafia would prioritise Nanook > Kajot > Lily

I killed Kajot because, again, I thought Nanook was the obvious kill. SAD.

I finally killed Nanook myself because I figured he must be scum for being spared for so long. Also just getting rid of him for being clear town otherwise was good for me.

Battled it out a lot in my head with Jason/Manectric/asiago. Was kinda annoyed at the hammer because I cleared OUTM at the end and wanted to read stuff carefully.

My game plan was to town side in the day (pushing tgt who i thought was scum) and wolf side in the night, to quickly get rid of people who were too townie and to stress the game. I wanted to make myself look like non-sk by making posts that i hoped would be seen as too daring for an sk to make. Alas. If we had yeeted town instead of wolves I would have wolf hunted in the night tbh. Also wanted to place myself in the townie side of the poe, but not at the top.

My argument against me never killing Zenon was genuine and this:

The Zenon kill does clear me to the extent that I would not do it, because I simply play optimally as all alignments, and killing Zenon there is suboptimal for me. Thats just how it is. Like. If I as anti-town faction believe that Zenon is the other anti-town, I will shut up about the read and do away with her in the night. I dont broadcast my read for everyone to see, base my whole play on her, to then just kill her the next night. There is no contigency plan. It would also risk me being killed by her in that case. You are moving steps ahead also. Regardless of everything, we would still be at 5 players alive today, not 3. I would have to "vote out who I think was wolfiest" twice whilst justifying why I am alive. I would also have to invent new scum reads as I do so, since my one push is now gone. So no, killing Zenon during night is not a play I ever make in this context. I have also never lost a thunderdome solike. Like the play is pretty straightforward so I am baffled that you (and Manectric) don't see it? Hard tunnel Zenon today. Use that as a foil the next day depending on the flip. Easy street.

was actually my real plan. I had set up a me vs Zenon day and was legit annoyed at seeing scum killing her, since now I had to regroup.


I am ultimately happy for my play. SK is scary and it was a long time since I last played it. I always feel like I will get immediately caught for being awkward and aimless. I dunno what I could have done differently? Probably paid more attention in the F5 and explore the feeling that asiago was clearing me too quickly, just how i was clearing him too quickly. I find it okay to lose in this night tho since cross killing would be lame tbh

ebwop

[Jason]

Have to say that this was a different kettle of fish. Only been playing mafia for three months and a lot of games I've played have featured more PR roles.

Jumping in to this with so many VT's was a big contrast.

Nanook, Lily and Zenon being so convinced with their reads and then flipping town threw me off a bit. Very impressive.

Good to play with some new faces ahead of (a miserable) Champs, intend to stick around on the forum and hopefully improve a bit in upcoming games. Much easier playing wolf than VT.

[Macdougall]

That was one hell of a carry lol.

[asiago8]

That was one hell of a carry lol.

you carried tbh

[Delta]

i killed frost because he was the player who most aggressively scum read E4 and I felt like he would sus me too. So killed him before he had a chance to interact with me.

I killed Lily, after several changes, because I thought Nanook was the obvious mafia kill due to his eod play. RIP me lol. Thought mafia would prioritise Nanook > Kajot > Lily

I killed Kajot because, again, I thought Nanook was the obvious kill. SAD.

I finally killed Nanook myself because I figured he must be scum for being spared for so long. Also just getting rid of him for being clear town otherwise was good for me.

Battled it out a lot in my head with Jason/Manectric/Jason. Was kinda annoyed at the hammer because I cleared OUTM at the end and wanted to read stuff carefully.

My game plan was to town side in the day (pushing tgt who i thought was scum) and wolf side in the night, to quickly get rid of people who were too townie and to stress the game. I wanted to make myself look like non-sk by making posts that i hoped would be seen as too daring for an sk to make. Alas. If we had yeeted town instead of wolves I would have wolf hunted in the night tbh. Also wanted to place myself in the townie side of the poe, but not at the top.

My argument against me never killing Zenon was genuine and this:

The Zenon kill does clear me to the extent that I would not do it, because I simply play optimally as all alignments, and killing Zenon there is suboptimal for me. Thats just how it is. Like. If I as anti-town faction believe that Zenon is the other anti-town, I will shut up about the read and do away with her in the night. I dont broadcast my read for everyone to see, base my whole play on her, to then just kill her the next night. There is no contigency plan. It would also risk me being killed by her in that case. You are moving steps ahead also. Regardless of everything, we would still be at 5 players alive today, not 3. I would have to "vote out who I think was wolfiest" twice whilst justifying why I am alive. I would also have to invent new scum reads as I do so, since my one push is now gone. So no, killing Zenon during night is not a play I ever make in this context. I have also never lost a thunderdome solike. Like the play is pretty straightforward so I am baffled that you (and Manectric) don't see it? Hard tunnel Zenon today. Use that as a foil the next day depending on the flip. Easy street.

was actually my real plan. I had set up a me vs Zenon day and was legit annoyed at seeing scum killing her, since now I had to regroup.


I am ultimately happy for my play. SK is scary and it was a long time since I last played it. I always feel like I will get immediately caught for being awkward and aimless. I dunno what I could have done differently? Probably paid more attention in the F5 and explore the feeling that asiago was clearing me too quickly, just how i was clearing him too quickly. I find it okay to lose in this night tho since cross killing would be lame tbh

huge hype for how you played boq!! you played well and when I was reading I had no clue you were SK tbh <3

[Jason]

i killed frost because he was the player who most aggressively scum read E4 and I felt like he would sus me too. So killed him before he had a chance to interact with me.

I killed Lily, after several changes, because I thought Nanook was the obvious mafia kill due to his eod play. RIP me lol. Thought mafia would prioritise Nanook > Kajot > Lily

I killed Kajot because, again, I thought Nanook was the obvious kill. SAD.

I finally killed Nanook myself because I figured he must be scum for being spared for so long. Also just getting rid of him for being clear town otherwise was good for me.

Battled it out a lot in my head with Jason/Manectric/Jason. Was kinda annoyed at the hammer because I cleared OUTM at the end and wanted to read stuff carefully.

My game plan was to town side in the day (pushing tgt who i thought was scum) and wolf side in the night, to quickly get rid of people who were too townie and to stress the game. I wanted to make myself look like non-sk by making posts that i hoped would be seen as too daring for an sk to make. Alas. If we had yeeted town instead of wolves I would have wolf hunted in the night tbh. Also wanted to place myself in the townie side of the poe, but not at the top.

My argument against me never killing Zenon was genuine and this:

The Zenon kill does clear me to the extent that I would not do it, because I simply play optimally as all alignments, and killing Zenon there is suboptimal for me. Thats just how it is. Like. If I as anti-town faction believe that Zenon is the other anti-town, I will shut up about the read and do away with her in the night. I dont broadcast my read for everyone to see, base my whole play on her, to then just kill her the next night. There is no contigency plan. It would also risk me being killed by her in that case. You are moving steps ahead also. Regardless of everything, we would still be at 5 players alive today, not 3. I would have to "vote out who I think was wolfiest" twice whilst justifying why I am alive. I would also have to invent new scum reads as I do so, since my one push is now gone. So no, killing Zenon during night is not a play I ever make in this context. I have also never lost a thunderdome solike. Like the play is pretty straightforward so I am baffled that you (and Manectric) don't see it? Hard tunnel Zenon today. Use that as a foil the next day depending on the flip. Easy street.

was actually my real plan. I had set up a me vs Zenon day and was legit annoyed at seeing scum killing her, since now I had to regroup.


I am ultimately happy for my play. SK is scary and it was a long time since I last played it. I always feel like I will get immediately caught for being awkward and aimless. I dunno what I could have done differently? Probably paid more attention in the F5 and explore the feeling that asiago was clearing me too quickly, just how i was clearing him too quickly. I find it okay to lose in this night tho since cross killing would be lame tbh

huge hype for how you played boq!! you played well and when I was reading I had no clue you were SK tbh

Yeah I'd echo that. I had some doubt with Asiago but Boq I didn't really suspect at all.

[asiago8]

tgt iso for interactions because i have nothing better to do with my time

#304 calls frost and lily not w/w which given frost’s townflip i am inclined to say spews v!lily

#870 and #882 are weird interaction with e4 (boq) that i didnt notice before, interesting to see. Then their only posts from then till #951 are interacting with e4. On the off chance that @Kajot survives the night i’d like a comment on this as you said boq/tgt not w/w iirc.

#1005 was part of my scumcase on tgt and also spews nanook!v, and spews their reads right, which after reading is just ghm!v which is useless lmao

#1705 weird post about jason, seems to be throwing shade without voting it. this comes from both jason!w and jason!v but i’m inclined to think the former tbh, if only for the fact that they hard-defended HK and they’d have to make up for that in some way.

#1737 if (manec, jason) are the final two this will make me laugh. But on another note, i dont think a reaction of this level is called for if theres only two mafia in the solve. Also i dont know how i didnt realize that this outed him when i isod him earlier because both posts contained HK but then again hindsight is 20/20

#1819, #1823, #1825, #1826, #1827, #1839, #1849, #1853, #1854 are part of a weird zenon interaction that i think spews zenon as not mafia, but this could still potentially be sk so zenon isnt out of my poe

Then from #1943 to #1990 they have a weird argument with e4 which i thought was towny for e4 BUT after rereading it i noticed one post: #2264. Tgt sorta backs down after the push, and it looks weird tbh. Then again it looked to me like e4 replaced out due to genuine frustration, but also now that i think about it that was frustration from rem mainly as opposed to tgt. Idk tbh, this interaction from e4 with rem and tgt combined with e4’s wallposts are the only reason i am not scumreading boq a lot more rn and if someone can provide a valid logic for this interaction from a w/w perspective boq will probably go to one of the top spots in my hangpool.

#2285 another weird interaction with jason. The fact that BOTH hk and tgt had weird interactions with jason and also each other implies this might be a trio. Toss in boq or csargo or manec and i think this might be the team tbh

#2576 this is trying to spew boq!v when HK flips scum. This has massive scum equity for boq

#2833 either this is right or manectric is wolf. I dont see another world here lol. Kajot is just town, zenon is town for what i mentioned earlier, so tgt either is just tmiing or is trying to toss manec in with townier players and try to put them in the towncore.

#2841 a solve! This is seer notes, you cant change my mind on that lol. I rarely see anything but exactly one scum in a list of three. And outm is ridiculously towny (disagree idgaf), so i think this spews csargo scum tbh. If csargo flips town here i will have to seriously relook at outm tho

#3134, #3137, #3148, #3154 shows a strange interaction with boq tbh. This could really easily be wolf fmpov

Finally #3507, and this post fking scares me. The fact that he says “build a towncore” as his legacy as wolf implies that there could be a deepwolf in the locktowns. Maybe i am overthinking this and its just something that he posted to try to look like a towny legacy without actually giving anything valuable but idk.


tldr:

Jason into boq into csargo into manec wins. Sk is out only concern after that and i am thinking that sk is in (zenon, rask, mayybe lily).


Assuming we are not sk hunting the hangpool is (jason, boq, csargo, manec) imo and i will ~95% not vote outside of that. The only scenarios are like a) someone is practically outed or b) we want to sk hunt fsr which i dont think is likely or optimal

In other news my towncore is probably (kajot, nook, probably lily, maybe outm). Rask has dropped because he did like nothing yesterday and i dont really like it. Outm has dropped a lil bit because a) tgt flipped scum and b) i didnt like their selfvote meta argument thing it seemed somewhat forced

Lily had a large rise due to obvious reasons tbh, i am curious to see a lot of her reads given the wolf flip of tgt today. Kajot is still town tbh, unlikely they survive the night tho, and nook is like 98% town from the ccs and to a lesser extent the early hammer for the flip as in some worlds a scum teammate hopes for a cfd there rather than the early hammer.


Town
me
Kajot
Nook

Lily

Outm

Rask
Zenon

Manec

Csargo
Boq

Jason
Scum


I spent way too much time on this im too much of a tryhard :P

I think I might just sheep this person. Hi person. ##Vote Jason

[NANOOKTHECONQUEROR]

GGs I was katze

[NANOOKTHECONQUEROR]

Have to say that this was a different kettle of fish. Only been playing mafia for three months and a lot of games I've played have featured more PR roles.

Jumping in to this with so many VT's was a big contrast.

Nanook, Lily and Zenon being so convinced with their reads and then flipping town threw me off a bit. Very impressive.

Good to play with some new faces ahead of (a miserable) Champs, intend to stick around on the forum and hopefully improve a bit in upcoming games. Much easier playing wolf than VT.

You should try some mafia league games, I think you might enjoy them!

[katze]

GGs I was katze

i enjoyed seeing you do silly things at eods just to read boq saying "surely mafia will kill nanook by now hes clear town" into "nanook is outed for not being killed by mafia yet"

katze moment

[Inawordyes]

Thank you to everybody for playing! This was a half-baked, spur-of-the-moment whim game, and it turned into one of the most interesting and fun games I’ve ever hosted, if not the most so

Special thanks to our five (!!!) subs who mostly popped in and then played awesomely. Specific props to Boq who almost won as a 3P SK sub if not for a relatively-late-in-the-night-phase NK switch from Asiago.

Speaking of, congratulations to the Brits aka the Mafia! The final team composition post-subs is probably my favorite mafia team ever on paper, and despite a rough start and shaky ground, Asiago managed to pull it out to the end, managing to not only correctly kill the SK but convince the SK that they could never be mafia, as Boq explained above. Much respect Asiago, you’re 2/2 for mafia wins this week , and I hope to see more of you around the site!

Really, just thanks for being willing to play a game of mine, and ofc not paying attention to the fact that gg I was Katze all along really tbh

[Zenon]

GGs all thanks for the game IAWY this game was super amazing

[NANOOKTHECONQUEROR]

GGs I was katze

i enjoyed seeing you do silly things at eods just to read boq saying "surely mafia will kill nanook by now hes clear town" into "nanook is outed for not being killed by mafia yet"

katze moment

My only regret was not getting to claim sk

[TheGoldenTyranno]

Go Brits Go!

[hollowkatt]

Be careful with partner reads with hk if he's maf, it's the thing he's best at as scum

I love that you said this b/c it's so true. I love even more that nobody really listened to it.

[Rem]

Mafia Universalis Night 6 Results

Jason has died. They were:

Leinster, Vanilla Town

Role PM for Mafia Universalis

You are Leinster, Vanilla Irish (Town). You win when all threats to the Irish people have been eliminated.

Boquise has died. They were:

Mann, Serial Killer

Role PM for Mafia Universalis

You are Mann, Serial Killer. You win when you are the only player alive or if you reach the final day and no other faction has more than one member alive.

Serial Killer

As Serial Killer, you have access to the Shoot Night Action. Players targeted with this action will die at the end of the Night unless protected. Note that this kill is both blockable and trackable. Finally, your kill is not compulsory. You may opt to not submit anything, in which case you will forfeit your kill for that night. Submit your Night Action each night using the form below the game thread. You may change your target as many times as you want. The last action submitted will be used.

Night 6 has ended.

Night 6 ended at 3:00 PM EDT on Thursday, May 25th, 2023.

[redacted],[redacted] because [redacted].

peace

[Boquise]

tgt iso for interactions because i have nothing better to do with my time

#304 calls frost and lily not w/w which given frost’s townflip i am inclined to say spews v!lily

#870 and #882 are weird interaction with e4 (boq) that i didnt notice before, interesting to see. Then their only posts from then till #951 are interacting with e4. On the off chance that @Kajot survives the night i’d like a comment on this as you said boq/tgt not w/w iirc.

#1005 was part of my scumcase on tgt and also spews nanook!v, and spews their reads right, which after reading is just ghm!v which is useless lmao

#1705 weird post about jason, seems to be throwing shade without voting it. this comes from both jason!w and jason!v but i’m inclined to think the former tbh, if only for the fact that they hard-defended HK and they’d have to make up for that in some way.

#1737 if (manec, jason) are the final two this will make me laugh. But on another note, i dont think a reaction of this level is called for if theres only two mafia in the solve. Also i dont know how i didnt realize that this outed him when i isod him earlier because both posts contained HK but then again hindsight is 20/20

#1819, #1823, #1825, #1826, #1827, #1839, #1849, #1853, #1854 are part of a weird zenon interaction that i think spews zenon as not mafia, but this could still potentially be sk so zenon isnt out of my poe

Then from #1943 to #1990 they have a weird argument with e4 which i thought was towny for e4 BUT after rereading it i noticed one post: #2264. Tgt sorta backs down after the push, and it looks weird tbh. Then again it looked to me like e4 replaced out due to genuine frustration, but also now that i think about it that was frustration from rem mainly as opposed to tgt. Idk tbh, this interaction from e4 with rem and tgt combined with e4’s wallposts are the only reason i am not scumreading boq a lot more rn and if someone can provide a valid logic for this interaction from a w/w perspective boq will probably go to one of the top spots in my hangpool.

#2285 another weird interaction with jason. The fact that BOTH hk and tgt had weird interactions with jason and also each other implies this might be a trio. Toss in boq or csargo or manec and i think this might be the team tbh

#2576 this is trying to spew boq!v when HK flips scum. This has massive scum equity for boq

#2833 either this is right or manectric is wolf. I dont see another world here lol. Kajot is just town, zenon is town for what i mentioned earlier, so tgt either is just tmiing or is trying to toss manec in with townier players and try to put them in the towncore.

#2841 a solve! This is seer notes, you cant change my mind on that lol. I rarely see anything but exactly one scum in a list of three. And outm is ridiculously towny (disagree idgaf), so i think this spews csargo scum tbh. If csargo flips town here i will have to seriously relook at outm tho

#3134, #3137, #3148, #3154 shows a strange interaction with boq tbh. This could really easily be wolf fmpov

Finally #3507, and this post fking scares me. The fact that he says “build a towncore” as his legacy as wolf implies that there could be a deepwolf in the locktowns. Maybe i am overthinking this and its just something that he posted to try to look like a towny legacy without actually giving anything valuable but idk.


tldr:

Jason into boq into csargo into manec wins. Sk is out only concern after that and i am thinking that sk is in (zenon, rask, mayybe lily).


Assuming we are not sk hunting the hangpool is (jason, boq, csargo, manec) imo and i will ~95% not vote outside of that. The only scenarios are like a) someone is practically outed or b) we want to sk hunt fsr which i dont think is likely or optimal

In other news my towncore is probably (kajot, nook, probably lily, maybe outm). Rask has dropped because he did like nothing yesterday and i dont really like it. Outm has dropped a lil bit because a) tgt flipped scum and b) i didnt like their selfvote meta argument thing it seemed somewhat forced

Lily had a large rise due to obvious reasons tbh, i am curious to see a lot of her reads given the wolf flip of tgt today. Kajot is still town tbh, unlikely they survive the night tho, and nook is like 98% town from the ccs and to a lesser extent the early hammer for the flip as in some worlds a scum teammate hopes for a cfd there rather than the early hammer.


Town
me
Kajot
Nook

Lily

Outm

Rask
Zenon

Manec

Csargo
Boq

Jason
Scum


I spent way too much time on this im too much of a tryhard :P

I think I might just sheep this person. Hi person. ##Vote Jason

Lmao I was looking at Mac's posts and thought that none of Jason and Manectric made sense as a partner, knowing how Mac has played as wolf the last couple of times I've seen him play, whilst him popping in to sheep you looked paired. But since i had decided to hard clear you in my mind, I went and invented reasons for how Jason could at least be a little bit paired due to distancing

[Boquise]

i killed frost because he was the player who most aggressively scum read E4 and I felt like he would sus me too. So killed him before he had a chance to interact with me.

I killed Lily, after several changes, because I thought Nanook was the obvious mafia kill due to his eod play. RIP me lol. Thought mafia would prioritise Nanook > Kajot > Lily

I killed Kajot because, again, I thought Nanook was the obvious kill. SAD.

I finally killed Nanook myself because I figured he must be scum for being spared for so long. Also just getting rid of him for being clear town otherwise was good for me.

Battled it out a lot in my head with Jason/Manectric/Jason. Was kinda annoyed at the hammer because I cleared OUTM at the end and wanted to read stuff carefully.

My game plan was to town side in the day (pushing tgt who i thought was scum) and wolf side in the night, to quickly get rid of people who were too townie and to stress the game. I wanted to make myself look like non-sk by making posts that i hoped would be seen as too daring for an sk to make. Alas. If we had yeeted town instead of wolves I would have wolf hunted in the night tbh. Also wanted to place myself in the townie side of the poe, but not at the top.

My argument against me never killing Zenon was genuine and this:

The Zenon kill does clear me to the extent that I would not do it, because I simply play optimally as all alignments, and killing Zenon there is suboptimal for me. Thats just how it is. Like. If I as anti-town faction believe that Zenon is the other anti-town, I will shut up about the read and do away with her in the night. I dont broadcast my read for everyone to see, base my whole play on her, to then just kill her the next night. There is no contigency plan. It would also risk me being killed by her in that case. You are moving steps ahead also. Regardless of everything, we would still be at 5 players alive today, not 3. I would have to "vote out who I think was wolfiest" twice whilst justifying why I am alive. I would also have to invent new scum reads as I do so, since my one push is now gone. So no, killing Zenon during night is not a play I ever make in this context. I have also never lost a thunderdome solike. Like the play is pretty straightforward so I am baffled that you (and Manectric) don't see it? Hard tunnel Zenon today. Use that as a foil the next day depending on the flip. Easy street.

was actually my real plan. I had set up a me vs Zenon day and was legit annoyed at seeing scum killing her, since now I had to regroup.


I am ultimately happy for my play. SK is scary and it was a long time since I last played it. I always feel like I will get immediately caught for being awkward and aimless. I dunno what I could have done differently? Probably paid more attention in the F5 and explore the feeling that asiago was clearing me too quickly, just how i was clearing him too quickly. I find it okay to lose in this night tho since cross killing would be lame tbh

huge hype for how you played boq!! you played well and when I was reading I had no clue you were SK tbh

Yeah I'd echo that. I had some doubt with Asiago but Boq I didn't really suspect at all.

Thanks guys tbh!!

[Macdougall]

tgt iso for interactions because i have nothing better to do with my time

#304 calls frost and lily not w/w which given frost’s townflip i am inclined to say spews v!lily

#870 and #882 are weird interaction with e4 (boq) that i didnt notice before, interesting to see. Then their only posts from then till #951 are interacting with e4. On the off chance that @Kajot survives the night i’d like a comment on this as you said boq/tgt not w/w iirc.

#1005 was part of my scumcase on tgt and also spews nanook!v, and spews their reads right, which after reading is just ghm!v which is useless lmao

#1705 weird post about jason, seems to be throwing shade without voting it. this comes from both jason!w and jason!v but i’m inclined to think the former tbh, if only for the fact that they hard-defended HK and they’d have to make up for that in some way.

#1737 if (manec, jason) are the final two this will make me laugh. But on another note, i dont think a reaction of this level is called for if theres only two mafia in the solve. Also i dont know how i didnt realize that this outed him when i isod him earlier because both posts contained HK but then again hindsight is 20/20

#1819, #1823, #1825, #1826, #1827, #1839, #1849, #1853, #1854 are part of a weird zenon interaction that i think spews zenon as not mafia, but this could still potentially be sk so zenon isnt out of my poe

Then from #1943 to #1990 they have a weird argument with e4 which i thought was towny for e4 BUT after rereading it i noticed one post: #2264. Tgt sorta backs down after the push, and it looks weird tbh. Then again it looked to me like e4 replaced out due to genuine frustration, but also now that i think about it that was frustration from rem mainly as opposed to tgt. Idk tbh, this interaction from e4 with rem and tgt combined with e4’s wallposts are the only reason i am not scumreading boq a lot more rn and if someone can provide a valid logic for this interaction from a w/w perspective boq will probably go to one of the top spots in my hangpool.

#2285 another weird interaction with jason. The fact that BOTH hk and tgt had weird interactions with jason and also each other implies this might be a trio. Toss in boq or csargo or manec and i think this might be the team tbh

#2576 this is trying to spew boq!v when HK flips scum. This has massive scum equity for boq

#2833 either this is right or manectric is wolf. I dont see another world here lol. Kajot is just town, zenon is town for what i mentioned earlier, so tgt either is just tmiing or is trying to toss manec in with townier players and try to put them in the towncore.

#2841 a solve! This is seer notes, you cant change my mind on that lol. I rarely see anything but exactly one scum in a list of three. And outm is ridiculously towny (disagree idgaf), so i think this spews csargo scum tbh. If csargo flips town here i will have to seriously relook at outm tho

#3134, #3137, #3148, #3154 shows a strange interaction with boq tbh. This could really easily be wolf fmpov

Finally #3507, and this post fking scares me. The fact that he says “build a towncore” as his legacy as wolf implies that there could be a deepwolf in the locktowns. Maybe i am overthinking this and its just something that he posted to try to look like a towny legacy without actually giving anything valuable but idk.


tldr:

Jason into boq into csargo into manec wins. Sk is out only concern after that and i am thinking that sk is in (zenon, rask, mayybe lily).


Assuming we are not sk hunting the hangpool is (jason, boq, csargo, manec) imo and i will ~95% not vote outside of that. The only scenarios are like a) someone is practically outed or b) we want to sk hunt fsr which i dont think is likely or optimal

In other news my towncore is probably (kajot, nook, probably lily, maybe outm). Rask has dropped because he did like nothing yesterday and i dont really like it. Outm has dropped a lil bit because a) tgt flipped scum and b) i didnt like their selfvote meta argument thing it seemed somewhat forced

Lily had a large rise due to obvious reasons tbh, i am curious to see a lot of her reads given the wolf flip of tgt today. Kajot is still town tbh, unlikely they survive the night tho, and nook is like 98% town from the ccs and to a lesser extent the early hammer for the flip as in some worlds a scum teammate hopes for a cfd there rather than the early hammer.


Town
me
Kajot
Nook

Lily

Outm

Rask
Zenon

Manec

Csargo
Boq

Jason
Scum


I spent way too much time on this im too much of a tryhard :P

I think I might just sheep this person. Hi person. ##Vote Jason

pretty good spew hey lol

[Macdougall]

tgt iso for interactions because i have nothing better to do with my time

#304 calls frost and lily not w/w which given frost’s townflip i am inclined to say spews v!lily

#870 and #882 are weird interaction with e4 (boq) that i didnt notice before, interesting to see. Then their only posts from then till #951 are interacting with e4. On the off chance that @Kajot survives the night i’d like a comment on this as you said boq/tgt not w/w iirc.

#1005 was part of my scumcase on tgt and also spews nanook!v, and spews their reads right, which after reading is just ghm!v which is useless lmao

#1705 weird post about jason, seems to be throwing shade without voting it. this comes from both jason!w and jason!v but i’m inclined to think the former tbh, if only for the fact that they hard-defended HK and they’d have to make up for that in some way.

#1737 if (manec, jason) are the final two this will make me laugh. But on another note, i dont think a reaction of this level is called for if theres only two mafia in the solve. Also i dont know how i didnt realize that this outed him when i isod him earlier because both posts contained HK but then again hindsight is 20/20

#1819, #1823, #1825, #1826, #1827, #1839, #1849, #1853, #1854 are part of a weird zenon interaction that i think spews zenon as not mafia, but this could still potentially be sk so zenon isnt out of my poe

Then from #1943 to #1990 they have a weird argument with e4 which i thought was towny for e4 BUT after rereading it i noticed one post: #2264. Tgt sorta backs down after the push, and it looks weird tbh. Then again it looked to me like e4 replaced out due to genuine frustration, but also now that i think about it that was frustration from rem mainly as opposed to tgt. Idk tbh, this interaction from e4 with rem and tgt combined with e4’s wallposts are the only reason i am not scumreading boq a lot more rn and if someone can provide a valid logic for this interaction from a w/w perspective boq will probably go to one of the top spots in my hangpool.

#2285 another weird interaction with jason. The fact that BOTH hk and tgt had weird interactions with jason and also each other implies this might be a trio. Toss in boq or csargo or manec and i think this might be the team tbh

#2576 this is trying to spew boq!v when HK flips scum. This has massive scum equity for boq

#2833 either this is right or manectric is wolf. I dont see another world here lol. Kajot is just town, zenon is town for what i mentioned earlier, so tgt either is just tmiing or is trying to toss manec in with townier players and try to put them in the towncore.

#2841 a solve! This is seer notes, you cant change my mind on that lol. I rarely see anything but exactly one scum in a list of three. And outm is ridiculously towny (disagree idgaf), so i think this spews csargo scum tbh. If csargo flips town here i will have to seriously relook at outm tho

#3134, #3137, #3148, #3154 shows a strange interaction with boq tbh. This could really easily be wolf fmpov

Finally #3507, and this post fking scares me. The fact that he says “build a towncore” as his legacy as wolf implies that there could be a deepwolf in the locktowns. Maybe i am overthinking this and its just something that he posted to try to look like a towny legacy without actually giving anything valuable but idk.


tldr:

Jason into boq into csargo into manec wins. Sk is out only concern after that and i am thinking that sk is in (zenon, rask, mayybe lily).


Assuming we are not sk hunting the hangpool is (jason, boq, csargo, manec) imo and i will ~95% not vote outside of that. The only scenarios are like a) someone is practically outed or b) we want to sk hunt fsr which i dont think is likely or optimal

In other news my towncore is probably (kajot, nook, probably lily, maybe outm). Rask has dropped because he did like nothing yesterday and i dont really like it. Outm has dropped a lil bit because a) tgt flipped scum and b) i didnt like their selfvote meta argument thing it seemed somewhat forced

Lily had a large rise due to obvious reasons tbh, i am curious to see a lot of her reads given the wolf flip of tgt today. Kajot is still town tbh, unlikely they survive the night tho, and nook is like 98% town from the ccs and to a lesser extent the early hammer for the flip as in some worlds a scum teammate hopes for a cfd there rather than the early hammer.


Town
me
Kajot
Nook

Lily

Outm

Rask
Zenon

Manec

Csargo
Boq

Jason
Scum


I spent way too much time on this im too much of a tryhard :P

I think I might just sheep this person. Hi person. ##Vote Jason

Lmao I was looking at Mac's posts and thought that none of Jason and Manectric made sense as a partner, knowing how Mac has played as wolf the last couple of times I've seen him play, whilst him popping in to sheep you looked paired. But since i had decided to hard clear you in my mind, I went and invented reasons for how Jason could at least be a little bit paired due to distancing

good old wifom ... while ever people enjoy wine, I will continue to cash in.

[DoctorZeus]

Game Over

The Town has been overrun. The British team wins.

British Members

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@Macdougall
@TheGoldenTyranno

Thread Summary

Setup

x4 British Goon
x1 Serial Killer
x11 Vanilla Town
x1 Town Jailkeeper | 2-Shot, Non-consecutive
x1 Town Tracker | 4-Shot

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asiago8 (Wales, British Goon)

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Serial Killer

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Jason (Leinster, Vanilla Town)

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Kajot (Desmond, Vanilla Town)

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Laurentus (Tyrconnell, Vanilla Town)

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Macdougall (Scotland, British Goon)

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Manectric (Tyrone, Vanilla Town)

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min (Munster, Town Jailkeeper | 2-Shot, Non-consecutive)

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Relm (Ulster, Town Tracker | 4-Shot)

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TheGoldenTyranno (England, British Goon)

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TheGoldenTyranno (England, British Goon)

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Zenon (Meath, Vanilla Town)

Role PM for Mafia Universalis

You are Meath, Vanilla Irish (Town). You win when all threats to the Irish people have been eliminated.

Game Thread: Mafia Universalis

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Subs

D0: subbed in for Prince J
D0: subbed in for e4e5Ke2Ke7
D0: subbed in for Rem
N1: Csargo subbed in for Capage
N1: Relm subbed in for Prince J
D2: Boquise subbed in for e4e5Ke2Ke7
D2: Kajot subbed in for Rem
N3: Macdougall subbed in for Csargo

asiago8 (Wales, British Goon)

N3: lilypetal — Factional Kill
N4: Kajot — Factional Kill
N5: Zenon — Factional Kill
N6: Boquise — Factional Kill

Boquise (Mann, Serial Killer)

N1: Laurentus — Kill
N2: FrostburnPhoenix — Kill
N3: lilypetal — Kill
N4: Kajot — Kill
N5: NANOOKTHECONQUEROR — Kill
N6: Jason — Kill

hollowkatt (Cornwall, British Goon)

N1: min — Factional Kill

min (Munster, Town Jailkeeper | 2-Shot, Non-consecutive)

N1: FrostburnPhoenix — Jail

Relm (Ulster, Town Tracker | 4-Shot)

N1: hollowkatt — Track
N2: lilypetal — Track

TheGoldenTyranno (England, British Goon)

N2: Relm — Factional Kill

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