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    Season 4, Game 7: Care Bears [The Mafia Championship]

    SEASON 4, GAME 7: CARE BEARS (MAFIA CHAMPIONSHIP)



    Welcome to Season 4 of the Mafia Championship!

    An international forum tournament for skilled Mafia players from 165 different communities!

    Do you want to spectate this game? Join our Discord channel: https://discord.gg/zdeEhcg


    Hosted By: Our automated @Mafia Host w/ @Chris providing flavor
    Start Date: May 29th
    SOD/EOD: 6 PM EST
    Phase Lengths: 48/24
    Lynch Mechanics: Deadline Lynch (person with most votes is lynched at the end of the deadline). In case of a tie, one of the tied players will randomly be lynched. No lynch is a valid vote. Starting Day 2, Majority is enabled, meaning the players can end day early if someone attains a majority of the votes.
    Night Chat In Thread: No, thread will be locked during Night Phases
    Out of Thread Communication: Only the Mafia team may communicate with each other outside of the thread (24/7)

    3 Mafia Goons vs. 12 Vanilla Town


    The Mafia Championship is an annual online tournament series that pits representatives from various forum Mafia (aka Werewolf) communities against one another as they compete to determine the Internet’s greatest forum Mafia player. Each participating community democratically elects one person to represent them and fight on their behalf.

    The Championship was founded in 2013 and has grown larger every season. As of this season, a total of 220+ different communities have been represented in the Mafia Championship, making it the largest cross-forum event on the Internet.

    This season is also the most international one yet with 25+ different countries represented:
    Australia
    Canada
    Chile
    Czechia
    Denmark
    England
    Estonia
    Finland
    Germany
    Hungary
    Indonesia
    Ireland
    Italy
    Japan
    Lithuania
    Norway
    Poland
    Portugal
    Republic of Ireland
    Romania
    Scotland
    South Africa
    Spain
    Sweden
    The Netherlands
    Ukraine
    USA
    Wales

    Read more here about the history of the Mafia Championship.


    The tournament structure:
    • 165 communities will participate, each sending one representative.
    • 11 Qualifying Games will be played consisting of 15 players each. I.e. every representative plays in one Qualifying Game. 1 player will advance directly to the Finale Game from each Qualifying Game. The players themselves vote post-game to determine who is deserving of advancement. I.e. 11 of the 15 finalists will be found this way.
    • A Jury consisting of finalists from Season 3 will along with me discuss and vote to determine a group of 30 wildcard players who will play in 2 Semi Final Wildcard Games. From each of these two games, two players will directly advance to the Finale Game.
    • The Finale Game is played. Once it has completed, the players vote to determine who shall hold the title of Season 4 Champion.

    The setup:

    MOUNTAINOUS
    12 Vanilla Townies
    3 Mafia Goons

    We’re going back to basics for Season 4. Each season we’re changing it up, and for this season it’s finally time to play without any power roles or abilities at all. Pure mafia. You have only yourself and your reading/bluffing abilities to count on.

    Relevant mechanics info:
    • Day start.
    • Deadline Lynch w/ Option for Majority starting Day 2. I.e. when day timer runs out, person with most votes will be lynched. However, day can also be ended early (starting Day 2) if there is ever a majority of votes on one person.
    • If there is a tied lynch, one of the tied players will be randomly lynched.
    • No outside communication. I.e. you may not contact the other players outside of the thread (unless you are Mafia and wish to speak with your teammates).

    Timeline:
    • The Qualifying Games will be played in the months of May and June. Look further down for the exact schedule.
    • The Semi Finals (Wildcard Games) will be played in July.
    • The Finale Game will be played in August.


    # SITE REPRESENTATIVE PLAYING IN BACK-UP
    1 「るる鯖」 @SystemSounds Game 8
    2 17th Shard @Amanuensis Game 10 @OrlokTsubodai
    3 ARS Technica @7-zark-7 Game 6
    4 Art of Problem Solving @jonyj1005 Game 10 @SFGiantsFan
    5 Atheist Forums @Aoi Magi Game 9 @LastPoet / @pocaracas
    6 Australian Super Smash Bros. @Maribro Game 4
    7 Bay 12 Games @Shakerag Game 3 @origamiscienceguy
    8 BisaBoard @GrayNinja Game 4
    9 BoardGameGeek @Alabaster Game 2
    10 Boards.ie @Tigger Game 11 @gufc21
    11 Braingle @musicneverdies Game 10 @harryputter
    12 Broken Forum @AaronS Game 1
    13 Bulbagarden @Midorikawa Game 10 @HumanDawn
    14 BZPower @Burnmad Game 6
    15 Canucks Community @One one two Game 6 @Time Lord
    16 Casa de Leche @spookymilk Game 9 @daneekasghost
    17 Chucklefish Forums @Alkanthe Game 2 @Zebe
    18 CivFanatics @Choxorn Game 2 @Zack
    19 CivForum @Slaan Game 11
    20 Clubs that Suck @Sockpuppet Game 8
    21 Comic Fury @Shrek Game 5 @Nyomi
    22 Comic Vine @TheTrueBarryAllen Game 5
    23 Common Forecast Boards @Enso Game 2 @Gonzo
    24 DailyMafia @Jon Paul Game 6 @Cruisette
    25 Dark Lord Potter @Voxxicus Game 10 Various
    26 Debate.org @Yraelz Game 4 @warren42
    27 Devil's Nest @Will Game 5
    28 Dominion Strategy @Awaclus Game 11
    29 Dragonmount @Sooh Game 11 @dicetosser1
    30 DuelistGroundz @The Admiral Game 2 @TheGoldenTyranno
    31 Elements the Game @rob77dp Game 5 @UTAlan
    32 EscapeRestart @enderfive Game 10 @Samlen
    33 Extreme Warfare Battleground @TEOL Game 4 @Josh
    34 Eyes on Final Fantasy @Scruffington Game 1
    35 Fever Clan @Bee Game 8 @hrgordon
    36 Fifth Avenue @Panther Game 11
    37 Flash Flash Revolution @AragakiAyase Game 6 @Asmodeus
    38 Flight Rising @Trash Game 5 @kirkfan2255
    39 Flipline @Ride Game 5 @Penguin022
    40 Football Forums @Sgt. Serious Game 2 @Frosty
    41 Football365 @Formal Shorts Game 1 @qwerty
    42 Forumopolis @gamerk2 Game 1
    43 Foxy Stoat @Maladoni Game 5 @TomKat
    44 Free For All @Darkus Black Game 5
    45 Friendly Mafia Fun @Drogo Game 3
    46 Further Entertainment @Helios Garabandia Game 11
    47 GameFAQs @Dels Game 5
    48 Gay Teen Forum @Cobalt Game 6
    49 Giant in the Playground @Murska Game 4 @Cuthalion
    50 GOG @Dontmindme Game 5
    51 Grand Prix Racing Online @Alex N-W Game 7
    52 GreyWolf @Maruland Game 7 @Bernd
    53 GreyWolf Addicts @Loki Game 9 @Chips
    54 GreyWolf Amnesia @deoxygenated Game 11 @Haze
    55 GreyWolf Philippines @philgone Game 7 @apelsin
    56 GunsNFNRoses @GUNNER Game 3 @Damn_Smooth
    57 Hattrick.org (Chilean) @Skyoden Game 6
    58 Hattrick.org (Danish) @trainingchamp Game 3
    59 Hattrick.org (Dutch) @Mr10B Game 3 @bertzuurman
    60 Goal Line Blitz @nofo Game 3
    61 Hattrick.org (Hungarian) @Franksa Game 3
    62 Hattrick.org (Romanian) @lexistenz Game 4
    63 Hattrick.org (Spanish) @Yandros Game 7
    64 Hattrick.org (Swedish) @machucado Game 4
    65 HeroClix Realms @colonialbob Game 5 @fredwood
    66 Hypixel @Ryast Game 1 @HauntedEmpire
    67 I-Novae Studios @Enginish Game 1
    68 IGN Boards @Generation.Now Game 8 @staple_gun
    69 INTP Forum @Quick Game 7 @Redbaron
    70 Jesus Toast Mafia @Bious Game 6 @Missing Person
    71 JetNation @Pac Game 9 @JF80
    72 Kaskus @Heregrarium Game 8
    73 Kongregate @Precarious Game 9 @back900
    74 Kylä @Halima Game 3 @Zey
    75 Last Life @Toby Game 7 @Golden Silver
    76 Lupus in Tabula @The Must Game 3 @Mist
    77 Mafia Universe @lute Game 10 @Allundberg
    78 MafiaLandia @SilverKeith Game 9
    79 MafiaManiac @Boquise Game 11 @Inawordyes
    80 Malazan Empire @Iwaes Nominated Game 7
    81 Manga Helpers @Ustegius Game 7
    82 MapleMafia @bcherina Game 8 @DanBcReasons
    83 Marineford @pele10brazil Game 4
    84 MindRomp @OP8 Game 11 @grit
    85 MMO Champion @Graeham Game 3
    86 MTG Salvation @Vaimes Game 6 @t om
    87 MTG-Forum @User7 Game 11
    88 MyAnimeList @Prophylaxis Game 9 @Coromandel
    89 MyBroadband @SpaceMunkey82 Game 11
    90 NADotA @Dendi Game 2 @brendan
    91 Naruto Forums @Didi Game 7 @Dragon D. Luffy
    92 NeoGAF @Ty4on Game 8 @Natiko
    93 Neoseeker - IRP @Kid Clutch Game 1 @Emberguard
    94 Neoseeker - Pokemon Sun and Moon @SirLagsALot Game 5 @NeoSF
    95 No Goblins Allowed @Fable Game 6
    96 Novel Updates @Zone Q11 Game 4 @A5G_Reaper
    97 NSM Forums @[NSM] Nocturne Game 10
    98 Nuzlocke Comics @pluslefan Game 2
    99 OGame @AcoreanaPT Game 8
    100 One Piece Bay @Sorry Game 7
    101 OneHallyu @ShipItUp Game 8 @Kami
    102 Oro Jackson @Maverick Game 2
    103 Paradox Interactive @Rovsea Game 1 @JacksonianMissionary
    104 Paranoia Paradise @aaronadowdy Game 2 @Patrick Hill
    105 Personality Cafe @braided pain Game 4 @laughingvoid
    106 Planet Cricket @Cricket Umpire Game 3 @PresidentEvil
    107 Play Diplomacy @Zoomzip Game 9 @Telleo
    108 PlayDota @Legion Game 11
    109 PokéBeach @Celever Game 4 @PikaMasterJesi
    110 PokéCommunity @Superjolt Game 9 @Salzorrah
    111 PokeHeroes @Nishinoya Game 9 @Sentarou
    112 Pokemon Showdown @TheWhoDoctor Game 9 @Fenrir Aesir
    113 PokerNet @chrja Game 3 @SurrenderAt20
    114 Poznańskie Towarzystwo Mafijne @eevee Game 1
    115 Rajah @Jordo Game 2
    116 Rational Skepticism @Nachomamma8 Game 7 @grit
    117 readmore @myc Game 11
    118 Realms Beyond @Dp101 Game 4
    119 Rollspell.nu @.133 Game 3
    120 rpgmaker.net @pianotm Game 2
    121 Sackinima @Shooter0898 Game 6
    122 SC2 Mafia @Mesk514 Game 5
    123 Serenes Forest @Makaze Game 10 @Lord Gaius
    124 Smashboards @Ryker Game 9 @Maven89
    125 Smogon @Yeti Game 9 @Ghostwheel
    126 Something Awful @Lumpen Game 5
    127 Starmen.Net @Ultimate-Gamer Game 2 @Sith / @Rhyselinn
    128 Stickpage @Azure Game 10
    129 Straight Dope @Archangel Game 9 @Chronos
    130 Student Doctor Network @dyachei Game 1
    131 Sugoi Desu! @Crispetalous Game 4
    132 Super Mafia All-Stars @dLGN Game 8 @Nydus
    133 Supercell Games: Clash of Clans @Brandon Game 10 @Soumil
    134 Survival of the Fittest @Flare Game 6
    135 Świat Łukasza @Klopp Game 3
    136 TalkRational @divagreen Game 1 @grit
    137 Team Liquid @Shapelog Game 10
    138 Tennis Forum @Randy Game 8
    139 The Bell Tree @Tina Game 7 @Trundle
    140 The Giraffe Boards @LightFoot Game 7 @Dante G
    141 The Millennium Forums @White Game 8 @VICE
    142 The Org @autolycus Game 10 @Zack
    143 The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe @Morvis13 Game 2 @HighPockets
    144 The Syndicate @Epignosis Game 1 @Quin
    145 Throne of Lies @PokemonKidRyan Game 11 @orangeandblack5
    146 Town of Salem @TheParanoidAndroid Game 10 @TrueGent
    147 Two Plus Two @bopolis Game 8 @Montecore
    148 Ultimate Mafia @ApplelovePear Game 7
    149 Utopia @bruin228 Game 6 @yankee151
    150 Vendetta Strada @Duke Game 1 @itsbrianyay
    151 Vevmo @Klounsnax2.0 Game 1
    152 VGCW Official Forum @Feanon Game 1 @Bringback1996
    153 W3D Hub @Voe Game 4 @Category5
    154 Walter Football @jepg Game 7 @Cory
    155 Wars World News Forums @MysteriousLad Game 6
    156 webDiplomacy @brainbomb Game 8
    157 Weerwolven van Wakkerdam @Dixie Game 3 @Kevindemen
    158 Werwolf Online @Alohomora Game 11 @Samaraner
    159 westeros @Tammy Game 10 @Gertrude
    160 What the Daily WTF? @abarker Game 4 @Maciejasjmj
    161 What the Heol?! @SpankGangsta Game 9
    162 Wrestling Forum @Poyser Game 8
    163 Xtratime @Ronaldwho Game 6
    164 Zelda Dungeon @Jamie Game 2
    165 Zelda Universe @English Game 5


    Note on backups/subs:
    If your representative needs to sub out during a QUALIFIER, your community's backup will take their place, assuming 1) you've elected one, 2) they've registered a user on Mafia Universe, and 3) that I'm able to get a hold of them within a reasonable amount of time (i.e. with enough time left in the current phase for the sub to work with).

    If I can't get a hold of your backup, I will give the spot to a representative from a community that joined the series late (see below) - or failing that, then a backup from one of the larger communities.

    If your representative needs to sub out during a WILDCARD or FINALE, your community's backup will NOT take their place. Instead the next person who was in line to receive a wildcard or finale spot will take their place.

    Late joiners
    1. @Krut1la (Maffka.com)
    2. @SwedishSkumbag (Maffia Sverige)
    # REPRESENTATIVE COMMUNITY BACK-UP(S)
    1 @Alex N-W Grand Prix Racing Online @Kirsty Ridley
    2 @Didi Naruto Forums @Dragon D. Luffy
    3 @Iwaes Nominated Malazan Empire
    4 @jepg Walter Football @Cory
    5 @LightFoot The Giraffe Boards @Dante G
    6 @Maruland GreyWolf @Bernd
    7 @Nachomamma8 Rational Skepticism
    8 @philgone GreyWolf Philippines @apelsin
    9 @Quick INTP Forum @Redbaron
    10 @Sorry One Piece Bay
    11 @Tina The Bell Tree @Trundle
    12 @Toby Last Life @Golden Silver
    13 @TomKat Foxy Stoat
    14 @Ustegius Manga Helpers
    15 @Yandros Hattrick.org (Spanish)

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    • If we believe you to bending the rules intentionally in a way that clearly goes against the spirit of the rules and the game, then that would also be grounds for modkill.
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    Refer to this post for the complete, standard ruleset for mafia games.




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    YOUR CHAMPIONS

    1) Alex N-W



    REPRESENTING: Grand Prix Racing Online

    NATIONALITY: UK

    STARTED PLAYING MAFIA (YEAR): 2015

    HAVE PLAYED MAFIA ON THE FOLLOWING SITES: GPRO

    BIO:
    I've been playing mafia for about 2 years now, so not very long at all. In that time I have played around 15 games, winning about 5. In the last 5 games I have been dead by the end of night 2 in 4 occasions.

    When I do play well it is normally in non vanilla games, I like to make elaborate claims and stuff, normally of which are actually OK.

    Why am I here I hear you ask.

    Well I was the only guy available




    2) Didi



    REPRESENTING: Naruto Forums

    NATIONALITY: Dutch

    STARTED PLAYING MAFIA (YEAR): 2007 iirc

    HAVE PLAYED MAFIA ON THE FOLLOWING SITES:
    Nintendo of Europe forum (Dutch version) (doesn't exist anymore sadly)
    IPVEL (In Plaats Van Een Leven, forum started by people having fun together on aforementioned Nintendo forum)
    Mafiascum (like 1 game or something, it took soooooo loooooooooooooong)
    NarutoForums (main mafia base)

    BIO:
    Mafia oldfag who doesn't play as much anymore as he used to back in the day, but he can still take you all to school. Which is why this year he decided to take up the grave responsibility of being NF's champ. Bring it on, youngsters.




    3) Iwaes Nominated



    REPRESENTING: Malazan Empire

    NATIONALITY: Czech

    STARTED PLAYING MAFIA (YEAR): 2015

    HAVE PLAYED MAFIA ON THE FOLLOWING SITES: Malazan Empire

    BIO:
    [quote name='Mentalist']
    [quote name='Rashan (Nom)']

    Nom's blood has been thoroughly spoiled by all the dragonsecks
    lately you've been either scarily insightful, or just completely wrong about everything.

    Either way, it makes for exciting watching, usually.
    On my site I've earned the title of Inquisitor(of High House Mafia). Malazan is awesome, go and read it. Really, you can even ask Sorry over there.

    Obligatory Malazan quote:

    "$#@!ing Dragon!" - Quick Ben




    4) jepg



    REPRESENTING: Walter Football

    NATIONALITY: British

    STARTED PLAYING MAFIA: Several years ago

    HAVE PLAYED MAFIA ON THE FOLLOWING SITES: WF, MU, 2+2

    BIO:
    So, I was born in the 20th Century to a Mother and a Father. Upon reaching maturity I found Mafia and I enjoyed it. Girls supplanted Mafia as my preferred distraction and I enjoyed them. After a while I found I could partake in the pleasures of both. Personally I prefer being an Independent in Mafia games which could make this a struggle. I enjoy long walks in the sunshine, reading and baking. Every time I rand Mafia I feel a pain lancing through my insides.




    5) LightFoot



    REPRESENTING: The Giraffe Boards

    NATIONALITY: America ( by birth) Canadian by nurture

    STARTED PLAYING MAFIA (YEAR): 2011 I think? first game was a mock up on Facebook. -( hey I am late bloomer)

    HAVE PLAYED MAFIA ON THE FOLLOWING SITES: The Giraffe boards,The Straight Dope, Idle Mafia * and maybe another I don't remember

    BIO:
    Biker ( the good kind) with tattoos,opinions, and Great grandchildren.
    I start every game with a clean slate- Hell I forget what I did last game, how can I remember what someone else did? I have learned the hard way to go with my 'Gut' but prefer to present supporting data.
    It is guaranteed I will use an "odd turn of phrase" that will be misunderstood by many. Some people think I am a good player ( obviously, I am here) I though have no idea what they are talking about.




    6) Maruland



    REPRESENTING: GreyWolf

    NATIONALITY: Colombian

    STARTED PLAYING MAFIA (YEAR): 2016

    HAVE PLAYED MAFIA ON THE FOLLOWING SITES: Telegram

    BIO:
    After 6500 games in Telegram and 51% survival rate, I can say I'm pretty addicted to the game, I love to analyze behaviour, my favourite role in Werewolf is gunner and I'll always be team goodie, if I have to play for the baddies i'm really good at lying, in the end, I'm a lawyer.




    7) Nachomamma8



    REPRESENTING: Rational Skepticism

    NATIONALITY: American

    STARTED PLAYING MAFIA (YEAR): 2008

    HAVE PLAYED MAFIA ON THE FOLLOWING SITES: RationalSkepticism, Talkrational, Mindromp, Mafiascum, Mafiauniverse, MTGS, The Syndicate, VG Chartz, Sal's Runescape Forum, GOG, Westeros, Dark Lord Potter

    BIO:
    I am a player that strongly (in most cases) prefers playing scum. My favorite part of being scum is the freedom to try pretty much anything to advance my win condition; I love the showmanship, I love having fake meltdowns, I love the feeling of leading a town over the cliff. I believe that it is scum's duty to make the story of the game, so to speak; there are no great heroes unless they can triumph over a mighty villain. I tend to be at my best as scum when the odds are stacked against me; I love a challenge, and there's nothing better than winning as scum when everything is against you. I have mislynched a cop who came out with a guilty on me and endgamed as a near-universal townread, I have fakeclaimed dayvig to draw a lie detector to me, used that fakeclaim to bus a partner the next day, then no killed while a doctor was protecting me to coast on that fakeclear straight to endgame, I have made countless townfriends and stabbed countless townfriends in the back.

    The most enjoyable part of playing town is finding the townie that you work perfectly with and solving the game with them together; I've had the honor of playing with a lot of town players who were much much better than me and having a part in solving the overall picture is always immensely satisfying. As town, I am strongest when I have several touchstones to work with; people who call me out when I'm putting out bad reasoning and who can reinforce when I've touched on something good. I tend to type a lot, but it means a lot to me when someone reads and understands the points that I'm making. I have always been cursed with being more persuasive than accurate which typically leads to many a horrible mislynch but generally with a couple people I can trust and work with in that game that accuracy goes up a hell of a lot. If we are playing a game together and you feel like no one is listening to you, reach out to me; I can't guarantee that I'll agree with you, but I can guarantee that I will read and research everyone of your points in depth and offer honest feedback on them. One of my favorite moments as town (one of the best to talk about, anyways) is in an alted game, when I was Wash; I was tunneling on scum for most of Day 1, was driving through a lynch on them and talking about how great I felt about the game, and started to say "I am a leaf on the wind, watch how I soar" but was interrupted by being shot by a surprise daykill by scum and had my "watch how I soar" edited out by the moderator because it was a post made after death.




    8) philgone



    REPRESENTING: GreyWolf Philippines

    NATIONALITY: Singaporean

    STARTED PLAYING MAFIA: 2017

    PLAYED MAFIA ON: GreyWolf & MU

    BIO:
    In my community, it is totally different from anything here, games on average finish as fast as 15 seconds depending on the luck of night actions.

    End of day phase in my time is 6 in the morning therefore I might not be around then, this is a heeding that if I am quiet doesn't mean I am guilty.

    Philgone was a name I thought of during 1 of my daydream session,
    I know it seems nice to vote such a unique name but please do not unless you have appropriate accusation.




    9) Quick



    REPRESENTING: INTP Forum

    NATIONALITY: US

    STARTED PLAYING MAFIA (YEAR): Feb. 18, 2015

    HAVE PLAYED MAFIA ON THE FOLLOWING SITES: Ordered in # of games on each site (12): MafiaScum, Personality Cafe (PerC), SC2Mafia, MafiaManiac, Mafia Universe, Team Liquid, 2+2 (POG), Dominion Strategy Forums, Ultimate Mafia, INTPf, Grey Labyrinth.

    BIO:
    Quote Originally Posted by Lizabeth from PerC
    Since his first mafia game in February 2015, Quick has been a dedicated player to the game, playing at least 65 games across 11 different sites. Since Season 2, inspired by a competitive spirit and the drive to achieve, he set his sights on eventually making it to the Mafia Championships. Having introduced mafia to the INTP Forum, he takes pride in representing them in the tournament this year.

    In keeping with his name, Quick’s style of play is often rapid-fire as he pursues leads that others might not consider. His voracious consumption of posts and articles about mafia theory, paired with his interest in approaching the game with creative out-of-the-box thinking, contributes to an interesting hybrid of unconventional-conventional play. Although more conventional players often find his insights and arguments confusing, he possesses an uncanny intuition that has often led him to the right answers, even when those answers have run contrary to popular opinion.

    A lover of music, Quick often makes use of music videos to underscore his thoughts and feelings in a game. Having experienced mental illness himself, Quick also prides himself as an advocate for others coping with mental health issues. Noting that roughly 1 in 4 adults experience some form of mental illness, he is dedicated to raising awareness to reduce the stigma associated with mental health diagnoses, and encouraging others to seek help and support they might need to achieve their highest potential.



    10) Sorry



    REPRESENTING: One Piece Bay

    NATIONALITY: Greek

    STARTED PLAYING MAFIA (YEAR): 2016

    HAVE PLAYED MAFIA ON THE FOLLOWING SITES: One Piece Bay, Mafia Universe

    BIO:
    Mafia accolades: I am still allowed to play.

    Favorite roles

    Scum: Serial Killer, because I can kill indiscriminately.

    Town: Vigilante, because I can kill indiscriminately.

    I also enjoy playing as mafia.

    Strengths: Unparalleled self control. Shameless lying.

    Weaknesses: Chocolate

    Approach to the game: My opinions might change but not the fact that I am always right.

    Impressive stats: I once stepped on a Lego after I hit my toe in the table corner and survived.

    Quotes about me:


    Sorry is locked town.
    (role in that game: Serial Killer)




    11) Tina



    REPRESENTING: The Bell Tree

    NATIONALITY: British

    STARTED PLAYING MAFIA (YEAR): 2013

    HAVE PLAYED MAFIA ON THE FOLLOWING SITES: Azurilland, The Bell Tree, and The Student Room.

    BIO:
    “Tina [plays] very neutral regardless of her alignment.” - iLoveYou.
    This was true when it was first posted in 2014 and it still holds up today.

    With a background in media and the sciences, clearly I should be able to communicate effectively and think through problems logically. “Should be” being the key words here… I prefer to play with a glass bottle in hand. Mafia drunk reporting for duty. 🍷




    12) Toby



    REPRESENTING: Last Life

    NATIONALITY: Scotland, UK

    STARTED PLAYING MAFIA (YEAR): 2011

    HAVE PLAYED MAFIA ON THE FOLLOWING SITES: CheeseForMice, NinSheetMusic, Last Life Forums, Flash Flash Revolution, Town of Salem

    BIO:
    Yeah, I started playing mafia with 8 year olds on a cheese catching game.




    13) TomKat



    REPRESENTING: Foxy Stoat

    NATIONALITY: British

    STARTED PLAYING MAFIA (YEAR): 2006

    HAVE PLAYED MAFIA ON THE FOLLOWING SITES: FoxyStoat, EpicMafia

    BIO:
    I come from a little community in the corner of the Internet called FoxyStoat. We're an offshoot that formed from the game Planetarion, which some people might have played back in the day! Nowadays activity is dwindling but we still manage to get Mafia games going alongside discussions about football and fantasy football ("soccer"). I consider myself a reasonable player but can occasionally get a bit tunnel visioned when I'm convinced someone is being scummy. If this happens to you then please just accept it as a flaw in my character! I prefer games with lots of complicated roles all overlapping each other so deduction is as big as part as scumhunting, but I'll do my best in a vanilla game. I'm looking forward to locking horns with some of you in the upcoming weeks!




    14) Ustegius



    REPRESENTING: Manga Helpers

    NATIONALITY: FINLAND

    STARTED PLAYING MAFIA (YEAR): 2010 (Online), 2005 (IRL)

    HAVE PLAYED MAFIA ON THE FOLLOWING SITES: Mangahelpers.com

    BIO:
    Casual mafia player, every now and then host, though our games at Mangahelpers are kind weird compared to most places. Like a $#@! ton of of special roles, hardly any vanillas. Occasional live Resistance player (mafia variant board game). Mega-geek. Wannabe-artist. Audiovisual multitalent. Probably totally lost for the whole championship game. Nice to meet ya!




    15) Yandros



    REPRESENTING: Hattrick.org (Spanish)

    NATIONALITY: SPAIN

    STARTED PLAYING MAFIA (YEAR): 2016

    HAVE PLAYED MAFIA ON THE FOLLOWING SITES: HATTRICK.ORG AND MAFIALANDIA.COM

    BIO:
    [I started to play Mafia about one year ago. During a lot of time, each game, and another and another my rol was a new Vainilla player...after more than 12 games finally gets a Mafia rol

    I often play with intensity, thats my strength and weakness at same time. Best part of the game, in my opinion, is meeting a lot of different people from different places

    I´m 39 years old, civil engineering, so I design railways lines, roads, bridges and tunnels while kill people at mafia xD
    I like sports, science fiction books and I hate people who hurts animals

    And of course, I love Chaos
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    This is an automated game of Mafia.


    Setup - 15 Players

    x3 Mafia Goon
    x12 Vanilla Town
    • Majority will be in effect starting Day 2. Day 2 onward will end the instant a majority is reached.
    • Town wins when all threats to Town have been eliminated.
    • Mafia factions win when they achieve Parity and all other evil factions have been eliminated at any time.
    • Votes are not automatically locked at LYLO.
    • No Lynching is enabled. Vote for No Lynch to forgo a lynch that Day.
    • Mafia factional kills are mandatory. Mafia must submit a factional kill each night, or a player outside their faction will be chosen at random.
    • Mafia factional kills are assigned. They can be tracked, watched, or roleblocked.
    • Mafia may communicate at any time.
    • Tied votes will result in a player being lynched at random from among the tied players.

    Phase Lengths

    Days are 48 hours in length. Nights are 24 hours in length.

    Players

    @Alex N-W
    @Didi
    @Iwaes Nominated
    @jepg
    @LightFoot
    @Maruland
    @Nachomamma8
    @philgone
    @Quick
    @Sorry
    @Tina
    @Toby
    @TomKat
    @Ustegius
    @Yandros

    FAQ

    Are you unsure about how actions are processed or how roles interact with each other? Then read more here:

    ORDER OF OPERATIONS

    Night actions are processed in this order:

    Strongman kills
    Roleblocks
    Jails
    Doctors
    Bodyguards
    Kills
    Investigations
    Backups

    When an action was submitted during the night will never matter when the actions are processed.

    ACTION FEEDBACK

    These are the results you will get when you submit certain actions.

    Non-investigative roles when they submit an action (they also receive this if they are roleblocked):

    Your action on Player A was received.
    Investigative roles (Tracker, Cop, etc.) when roleblocked:

    Your action on Player B did not return any results.
    Trackers when tracking a person that didn't visit anyone (or if they targeted a Ninja):

    Player C did not visit anyone.
    Watchers when watching a person that wasn't visited by anyone (or only visited by a Ninja):

    Player D was not visited by anyone.
    Alignment Cop when investigating a town-aligned player (or a Godfather):

    Player E is Town
    Watcher when watching a person that was visited by multiple people:

    Player F was visited by Player G, Player H, Player I
    FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS

    How do I submit my action?
    Use the form below the game thread. If your role has a night action, the form will only be visible during night phases. It's not possible to submit actions in advance of the night phase.

    What does it mean if the Mafia Host says that night kills are assigned?
    In games with this setting turned on, the member of the mafia team that made the most recent night kill submission will be the one assigned to the kill, which means that the kill can be blocked if a Town Roleblocker or Town Jailkeeper target the mafia player in question. Similarly, the kill can be tracked and watched by Town Trackers and Town Watchers. If this setting isn't turned on, then it doesn't matter who the last person to submit the mafia kill is, as the kill is unblockable and untrackable in this case.

    Where do I find example role PM's?
    This thread contains example role PM's for all roles currently supported by the Modbot as well as information on the various modifiers. Here you will find the answers to a lot of questions not covered in this FAQ section.

    Which roles can self-target?
    Only Watchers are able to use their ability on themselves at night. This means that Doctors or Jailkeepers aren't able to protect themselves, for example.

    Which roles are not able to target the same players on consecutive nights?
    Doctors, Jailkeepers, and Roleblockers are not allowed to target the same player twice in a row. Everyone else is, including Bodyguards. Note that this non-consecutive restriction still holds true even if one of these three roles were blocked the night before when targeting the person that they're attempting to target again.

    What happens if Jailkeeper A and Jailkeeper B or Roleblocker A and Roleblocker B target each other (and are not targetted by other blockers)?
    In the case of Jailkeepers, they will block and protect each other. In the case of Roleblockers, they also block each other. This means that the two players are trackable to each other that night by Trackers and Watchers. It also means that if one of them is mafia and happens to simultaneously be the one submitting the factional kill that night in a game with assigned kills, then this kill is blocked. This same principle applies to longer loops. I.e. in a A > B > C > D > A loop, everyone is blocked.

    What happens if Jailkeeper A targets Roleblocker B who targets Jailkeeper A?
    Jailkeeper A will be blocked in this scenario. Refer to the order of operations: Roleblocks process before jails.

    What happens if Jailkeeper A targets Roleblocker B who targets Player C?
    As stated above, roleblocks process before jails, so Roleblocker B will successfully block Player C. I.e. Jailkeeper A will fail to block Roleblocker B, but will still protect Roleblocker B.

    What happens if Jailkeeper A targets Jailkeeper B and Jailkeeper B targets Jailkeeper C (who isn't targeting any of the former two)?
    In this case, Jailkeeper A would prevent Jailkeeper B's block from occuring, meaning that Jailkeeper C's action is not blocked.

    If an X-Shot role is blocked while using a shot, do they lose that shot forever?
    Yes. A 1-shot Vigilante being blocked while attempting to kill someone will not have their shot refunded.

    If someone with a Strongman modifier kills Player A who is protected by Bodyguard B, who dies?
    Player A will die, and Bodyguard B will survive.

    Can a mafia team choose not to kill anyone during a night?
    The host can determine this using the Mafia Factional Kill setting. Kills can be mandatory, optional, or disabled altogether.

    The default is No. The mafia factional kill is compulsory. This is done in order to avoid deadlocked games where the town keeps no lynching and the mafia refuses to submit a kill. If the game has assigned kills, it will be randomized which member of the team is carrying out the kill.

    If there is only one mafia member left in a game without assigned kills, can the mafia factional kill then be blocked and/or tracked?
    No.

    Can the mafia submit a kill for one of their own members?
    No.

    If I kill someone, does their night action, if they have one, still succeed?
    Yes, killing someone doesn't prevent them from performing their night action (unless they investigated someone, in which case they will not receive a report). Refer to the order of operations: All kills happen at the end of the night, and everyone pulls the trigger simultaneously.

    Can individual night actions be proxied on mafia teams?
    No. If the mafia team has a Mafia Roleblocker, for example, and they want to use this role's action, then the player occupying that slot must submit the action themselves.

    If a Lover is shot during the night, while the other Lover is protected that night, does the other Lover still die?
    Yes. It's not possible to prevent a Lover from dying of love sickness.

    If a Bodyguard protects Lover A, while Lover B is shot during that same night, what happens?
    A dies of love sickness and Bodyguard lives.

    If there are any Innocent Childs in the game, are these confirmed in the thread right when the game begins?
    No. Innocent Childs are able to decide themselves when or if they wish to have the Modbot confirm their role and alignment in the thread. Note that this is exclusively a day action and that it can take up to one minute for the Modbot to process the action.

    What results are Alignment Cops, Full Cops and Role Cops given if they investigate a Godfather or a Miller?
    Alignment Cops are told "Town" for Godfathers and "Mafia" for Millers. Full Cops are told "Vanilla Town" for Godfathers and "Mafia Goon" for Millers. Role Cops are told "Godfather" for Godfathers and "Miller" for Millers.

    Can Role Cops tell the difference between a Vanilla Town and Mafia Goon?
    No. They are told "Vanilla" when investigating either of these two roles.

    If I roleblock someone with a Bulletproof Vest, will that nullify the effect of the vest?
    No. Bulletproof Vests are passive modifiers that cannot be blocked from working.

    If I roleblock Masons, Neighbors or Lovers with out of thread communication privileges, can I prevent them from talking at night?
    No.

    If I roleblock a Godfather, will they still be revealed as being town-aligned to Alignment Cops and Full Cops that night?
    Yes.

    USING THE SOFTWARE

    Are you wondering about how to vote, submit night actions or multi-isolate players? Read about this and more here:

    VOTING BBCODES

    Our forum votes for someone by using the vote tags: [V]Thingyman[/V]. Preview:

    ##Vote Thingyman

    Make sure that you spell out the full, correct name. Abbreviations or misspelled names will not be registered by the Modbot.

    To unvote, use the tags: [UNV][/UNV] . When unvoting you do not need to enter the name of the person that you are unvoting. Preview:

    ##Unvote

    VOTING BUTTONS

    You can also quickly vote for someone by clicking on the box with a checkmark icon, which will bring up an alphabetized dropdown containing the names of living players:



    This will insert [V][/V] tags with the name of the player you selected in the dropdown, perfect every time.

    Click the empty checkbox button to insert [UNV][/UNV].

    SUBMITTING NIGHT ACTIONS

    If you have a night action, simply submit this at night by scrolling to the bottom of the game thread. Here you will find a night action form like this:



    Click the dropdown and select the player whom you wish to use your night action on. You can change it as many times as you wish before the deadline expires.

    CALLING UP A VOTECOUNT

    Votecounts will appear automatically at various intervals, but you can also call up votecounts yourself by following these steps:

    First, you need to apply to join "Mafia Game Hosts" under Permission Groups.

    Second, once your request has been approved, you will be able to call up votecounts by simply pushing the "Post Votecount" button in the top right corner of any game thread that you'd like an updated votecount for.


    VIEWING VOTE HISTORY

    There are three ways to access the vote history for any game.

    1. Click on the "Vote History" button in the top right corner of the game thread:

    2. Click on the "View Vote History" link, which accompanies all votecounts:

    3. Click on Modbot in the top forum menu. This will give you a list of ongoing and completed games:



      Next, simply click on "Vote History" to view all votes for that game.

    Following any of the above three steps will bring you to an overview like this one:



    Click on a Voter's username to view all of the votes by their slot.

    Click on a Target's username to view all of the votes for their slot.

    ISOLATING A PLAYER'S POSTS

    If you wish to read a player's posts in isolation, simply click on "ISO" in the top right corner of one of that player's posts in the relevant thread as illustrated here:



    Alternatively, you can access a player's posts in isolation by clicking on the number next to "Replies:" in the forum lobby.



    Doing so will pull up a window listing the post counts for everyone who has posted in that thread. You access someone's posts in isolation by simply clicking on the number next to "Posts:" for that person.



    The ISO view itself has Quote and Multi-Quote buttons inside it, which will make it very easy to quickly quote a lot of a player's posts for analysis or commentary:


    MULTI-ISOLATING

    If you wish to read not just one player's posts, but you want to ISO multiple players, then click the "Multi ISO" button to the left of "Game Tools" and select the players in question as shown here:


    MULTI-QUOTING WHILE THREAD IS LOCKED

    Note that you can multi-quote posts from even locked game threads. This is useful for when you wish to reread the game and do work during night phases.

    After quoting the relevant posts, you simply open a different, opened thread and press "Go Advanced". Then add the quotes to your post by clicking the prompt below the post area as shown here:



    Now, of course you can't post your work in the game thread while the thread is locked, but you can copy paste and save your work to a local file or the cloud and have it ready to post the very next day phase (if you're still alive, that is).

    BOOKMARKS

    Whenever you open a game thread, you are able to bookmark posts. This is for many players an important tool for keeping track of and remembering vital pieces of information, reads, claims etc.

    Also, note that these bookmarks are saved to your user account, meaning that it eliminates the trouble associated with keeping notes between different computers/devices.

    If you want to bookmark a post, you simply scroll to the post that you want to bookmark and press "Set Bookmark" as shown here:



    This will call up 5 different colored icons (Blue, Red, Yellow, Green, and Black) on the right side of the post in question. You can click any of these icons, which will then prompt you to include a note for the post.

    If you don't want to include a note, you don't have to - just leave it blank. The color coding in itself can be a valuable tool. Maybe you want to use Red bookmarks for posts that you find suspicious, Green bookmarks for posts that you find townie, Black bookmarks for posts containing claims, or whatever system you can think of that will be helpful to you.



    Once this is done, you have now successfully bookmarked a post with a certain color and maybe even a note. If you wish to remove the bookmark again, click on "Unset Bookmark".

    How do I access bookmarks?

    There are two ways to access your bookmarks.
    1. Inside a game thread, you can access the bookmarks for that specific game by simply right clicking on the "Bookmark" button and opening the link.

      This will bring you to a separate page that is automatically filtered to only show bookmarks from the game thread that you accessed the page from.
    2. You can also access your bookmarks by going to Features in the site's top menu:



      This will bring you to a page where no bookmarks are shown by default. However, you have several filtering options.

      You can filter by Game, by Player and by Color - and all of them at once if you so wish.

      Here's an example of filtering by only red bookmarks in one specific game:



    If you want to be taken directly to one of your bookmarked posts, you just click the post number.

    How do I quote bookmarks?

    You can also multi-quote bookmarked posts by clicking the little "+" button seen above on the far right side of each bookmark.

    Once you have multi-quoted all the bookmarked posts that you want to quote, you will then have to go to the game thread in which you wish to quote the bookmarked posts.

    Here you have two ways of quoting the posts.

    1. Click on "Reply With Quote" on another post as shown here:



      You will then probably want to delete the last post quoted in the reply box, but otherwise you should be good to go.
    2. Or you can do the more smooth option and click the "Reply To Thread" button at the top and bottom of the game thread - as shown here:



      By doing this you will open up a reply box containing only your multi-quoted bookmarked posts.

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    Kevin was a normal boy, not unlike you or me. He studied. He played. He laughed. He smiled. But most of all, he loved Donna. They were nearly inseparable; if one was going to play, you could guarantee the other would be there, too.

    But all of that changed one day, when Kevin's parents decided they hated each other and were going to divorce. Just kidding! One of Kevin's parents got a promotion, and they would need to travel very far away. Kevin was devastated - he knew that meant losing Donna. He had only one choice.

    Kevin would run away. He just didn't care any more.

    But without caring, Kevin couldn't just go home. He ended up in The Land Without Feels - as if you needed any proof that this story was written in the 1980's - under the rule of Professor Coldheart.



    Does this look like the face of somebody that's very caring?

    The evil professor was turning kids into slaves. Slaves that were oddly green creatures! Good heavens! If all of the children lose their feelings, there will be nobody left to love the Care Bears. Can the Care Bears save the feelings, and can Donna get her best friend back?

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    Day 1 ends at 6:00 PM EDT on Wednesday, May 31st, 2017. There are 1496268060000 remaining.

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    It's been a long road to make it to this point in my career:



    I am going to be using these behavioral cues as a baseline for judging whether someone is Town or Scum:

    Townie behavior

    1. Being active - If you are making the bare minimum of the post requirement you are probably not posting enough. Being active does two things. 1) Makes it easier for people to give you a town read and 2) prevents Scum from winning simply from lurking the whole game.
    2. Asking probing questions - this is a huge part of the game. If you are not asking questions to players, you best have a really good reason for why. Asking questions help in a multitude of different reasons and a thread could probably be made just on this but here are a few. 1) It tells Town that you are actively trying to solve the game which can help you get a town read. 2) Obviously if you ask a question you are going to get some information out of it even if they don't answer which can help you to clinch that scum read you were thinking about or help clear someone from possibly getting lynch that is Town. 3) It can stop you from assuming something about someone by simply asking a question like "What do you mean?" or "Why?" or "Could you explain your thought process here?"
    3. Providing a conclusion - Simply providing a rundown of what has happened in the thread can help, but it helps 10X more when you provide what your thoughts are about what has happened means rather than simply stating facts. Conclusions should be logically sound and not something used as WIFOM to be effective. Your conclusion should be Inductive or Deductive reasoning and something that is not easily refutable. An accurate conclusion doesn't have to be a super complex thing, it can simply be used to tell if what someone says is true or not
    4. Putting in effort into the game - Play every game like you want to win and if you can't do that, don't play. Showing effort may not be AI, but based on the content that is produced from putting in effort very well could be.
    5. SCUM HUNTING -admittedly this looks different for different playstyles, but it should be obvious that you are doing it. I expect each and every person in this game to Scum hunt since that is the basic fundamental basis for a mountainous game. If you are not Scum hunting, I will be raining fire down on your ass.
    6. Observing reactions - It is one things to make plays yourself, but it’s on another level altogether to observe and make a conclusion on a conversation that you were not even a part of. Keep your eyes sharp and watch everything that happens in the thread and comment on what what observations and conclusions you have made. Often the best posts are ones that have a lot of people involved in a single conversation and it sometimes just takes someone with the wherewithal to conclude what several people have said about a single topic. I admit this is very difficult for me to do personally.
    7. Making new points - if you are making new points on things and providing new analysis to the game, this shows that you are actively trying to solve the game. This is something that is Townie because Scum have a harder time to come up with new legitimate things to analyze in the game.



    Scummy behavior

    1. Posting WAY too much - If you are taking up a large chunk of the total post in the thread you are posting way too much and are not allowing discussion from happening between many people that would otherwise have plenty to say about the game and to each other. This is mostly a problem if you are posting fluff, but if you have half the post in the game, you are going to need to relax a bit. I have been guilty of this on may occasions.
    2. Posting too little - If you are posting the bare minimum of the post requirement you are not giving town enough to work with. Even if you are just posting the bare minimum and making huge gigantic posts with one liners, this does not help town win for two reasons 1) It keeps people from even wanting to read that monster, let alone respond to everything you have said and 2) It does a lot of harm for the thread to flow organically. If people are not responding to things as they come up then there is really no change of opinion for people when you are bringing up a lot of old information that can get addressed relatively easily by just letting people think about a couple topics at a time and being able to then come up with a conclusion. This is not the same as an ISO where you are quoting many posts from a specific person.
    3. Extreme WIFOM - While debatably WIFOM has its place even as a Town tactic, if all you are doing is that, then you are not helping Town narrow down possibilities, but instead creating conversations that don't lead to anywhere.
    4. Low effort posting - while effort isn’t indicative of alignment, if all you are doing is making low effort posts i.e. just one liners, I am going to assume you are just trying to coast as Mafia to get an easy win by watching Town tear itself apart.
    5. Voting for yourself without a really good reason - While it's really easy sometimes to throw up a vote for yourself, most of the time it creates a ton of unnecessary WIFOM and is rarely productive for Town to help in finding scum debatably. I don’t want to see anyone doing this in this game because this game is mountainous. I only expect Scum to do it to hammer themselves to take time away from Town.
    6. IIoA (information instead of analysis) - This is where you are stating facts but are not providing any kind of conclusion on what this means. Almost anyone has the capability of giving facts that have happened in the thread, but if you are not telling what that means, it just ends up being a recap of events that doesn't add anything new.
    7. Sheeping too much- While sheeping as an isolated incident isn’t a Scum tell, doing it over and over without ever providing any of your own thoughts out there is Scummy.



    Note that these are only a baseline and I will be looking at a lot more things, but obviously I can’t tell you everything I am going to look at to judge whether someone is Scum or not. The other part of this is that I tend to look at motivation a lot and try to judge whether someone is making X post as Town or Scum and this will usually trump any of these above behaviors.

    It is my humble opinion that this setup is ridiculously Scum sided. Not only does Town not have a single PR to dead with the odds against them, but Scum also have Day Chat. Evidence of this is seen in the fact that every Scum team has won for the first 4 completed games in the MC. I would have voted for 14:3 without Day Chat for Scum. With that said, If all Town follow these guidelines, I feel this will give Town an edge. So let's not let these Scum $#@!s rule our destiny!



    Some things about me and some possible difficulties in reading me:

    I sometimes say some things that people don’t understand or they don’t think my reasoning is valid. If I do this, don’t just assume I am Scum for me saying this. Instead I will ask that you ask me about what I meant so I can try and articulate myself better saying roughly the same things with more or different words used and more explanation given.
    I don’t believe RVS (Random Voting Stage) is conductive to produce content any better than any other method so I’m going to avoid it because I think there are better things you can lead off with than that.
    We are lynching D1, period. Statistically speaking, Town has a better chance of winning when there is a lynch D1, at least where I come from.
    I am a very strong believer that a reason should always be given for a vote and if a reasons is not given, it should be blindingly obvious why you are voting for who you are voting for. What this does is forces Scum to have to come up with reasons for their votes, which Scum have a more difficult time with coming up with believable reads than Town. That said, sometimes the reasons I give are not "accepted" reasons due to their "out-of-the-box" nature.
    I prefer as playing as Town for a few reasons. First reason is that I don’t feel as much pressure to perform as Town and I can just play being me. Secondly, I feel EVERYONE should prioritise their Town game over Scum game for the very simple fact that you will statistically play as Town far more often that anything else.

    With that said, I am ecstatic I am Town this game!



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    It's been a long road to make it to this point in my career:



    I am going to be using these behavioral cues as a baseline for judging whether someone is Town or Scum:

    Townie behavior

    1. Being active - If you are making the bare minimum of the post requirement you are probably not posting enough. Being active does two things. 1) Makes it easier for people to give you a town read and 2) prevents Scum from winning simply from lurking the whole game.
    2. Asking probing questions - this is a huge part of the game. If you are not asking questions to players, you best have a really good reason for why. Asking questions help in a multitude of different reasons and a thread could probably be made just on this but here are a few. 1) It tells Town that you are actively trying to solve the game which can help you get a town read. 2) Obviously if you ask a question you are going to get some information out of it even if they don't answer which can help you to clinch that scum read you were thinking about or help clear someone from possibly getting lynch that is Town. 3) It can stop you from assuming something about someone by simply asking a question like "What do you mean?" or "Why?" or "Could you explain your thought process here?"
    3. Providing a conclusion - Simply providing a rundown of what has happened in the thread can help, but it helps 10X more when you provide what your thoughts are about what has happened means rather than simply stating facts. Conclusions should be logically sound and not something used as WIFOM to be effective. Your conclusion should be Inductive or Deductive reasoning and something that is not easily refutable. An accurate conclusion doesn't have to be a super complex thing, it can simply be used to tell if what someone says is true or not
    4. Putting in effort into the game - Play every game like you want to win and if you can't do that, don't play. Showing effort may not be AI, but based on the content that is produced from putting in effort very well could be.
    5. SCUM HUNTING -admittedly this looks different for different playstyles, but it should be obvious that you are doing it. I expect each and every person in this game to Scum hunt since that is the basic fundamental basis for a mountainous game. If you are not Scum hunting, I will be raining fire down on your ass.
    6. Observing reactions - It is one things to make plays yourself, but it’s on another level altogether to observe and make a conclusion on a conversation that you were not even a part of. Keep your eyes sharp and watch everything that happens in the thread and comment on what what observations and conclusions you have made. Often the best posts are ones that have a lot of people involved in a single conversation and it sometimes just takes someone with the wherewithal to conclude what several people have said about a single topic. I admit this is very difficult for me to do personally.
    7. Making new points - if you are making new points on things and providing new analysis to the game, this shows that you are actively trying to solve the game. This is something that is Townie because Scum have a harder time to come up with new legitimate things to analyze in the game.



    Scummy behavior

    1. Posting WAY too much - If you are taking up a large chunk of the total post in the thread you are posting way too much and are not allowing discussion from happening between many people that would otherwise have plenty to say about the game and to each other. This is mostly a problem if you are posting fluff, but if you have half the post in the game, you are going to need to relax a bit. I have been guilty of this on may occasions.
    2. Posting too little - If you are posting the bare minimum of the post requirement you are not giving town enough to work with. Even if you are just posting the bare minimum and making huge gigantic posts with one liners, this does not help town win for two reasons 1) It keeps people from even wanting to read that monster, let alone respond to everything you have said and 2) It does a lot of harm for the thread to flow organically. If people are not responding to things as they come up then there is really no change of opinion for people when you are bringing up a lot of old information that can get addressed relatively easily by just letting people think about a couple topics at a time and being able to then come up with a conclusion. This is not the same as an ISO where you are quoting many posts from a specific person.
    3. Extreme WIFOM - While debatably WIFOM has its place even as a Town tactic, if all you are doing is that, then you are not helping Town narrow down possibilities, but instead creating conversations that don't lead to anywhere.
    4. Low effort posting - while effort isn’t indicative of alignment, if all you are doing is making low effort posts i.e. just one liners, I am going to assume you are just trying to coast as Mafia to get an easy win by watching Town tear itself apart.
    5. Voting for yourself without a really good reason - While it's really easy sometimes to throw up a vote for yourself, most of the time it creates a ton of unnecessary WIFOM and is rarely productive for Town to help in finding scum debatably. I don’t want to see anyone doing this in this game because this game is mountainous. I only expect Scum to do it to hammer themselves to take time away from Town.
    6. IIoA (information instead of analysis) - This is where you are stating facts but are not providing any kind of conclusion on what this means. Almost anyone has the capability of giving facts that have happened in the thread, but if you are not telling what that means, it just ends up being a recap of events that doesn't add anything new.
    7. Sheeping too much- While sheeping as an isolated incident isn’t a Scum tell, doing it over and over without ever providing any of your own thoughts out there is Scummy.



    Note that these are only a baseline and I will be looking at a lot more things, but obviously I can’t tell you everything I am going to look at to judge whether someone is Scum or not. The other part of this is that I tend to look at motivation a lot and try to judge whether someone is making X post as Town or Scum and this will usually trump any of these above behaviors.

    It is my humble opinion that this setup is ridiculously Scum sided. Not only does Town not have a single PR to dead with the odds against them, but Scum also have Day Chat. Evidence of this is seen in the fact that every Scum team has won for the first 4 completed games in the MC. I would have voted for 14:3 without Day Chat for Scum. With that said, If all Town follow these guidelines, I feel this will give Town an edge. So let's not let these Scum $#@!s rule our destiny!



    Some things about me and some possible difficulties in reading me:

    I sometimes say some things that people don’t understand or they don’t think my reasoning is valid. If I do this, don’t just assume I am Scum for me saying this. Instead I will ask that you ask me about what I meant so I can try and articulate myself better saying roughly the same things with more or different words used and more explanation given.
    I don’t believe RVS (Random Voting Stage) is conductive to produce content any better than any other method so I’m going to avoid it because I think there are better things you can lead off with than that.
    We are lynching D1, period. Statistically speaking, Town has a better chance of winning when there is a lynch D1, at least where I come from.
    I am a very strong believer that a reason should always be given for a vote and if a reasons is not given, it should be blindingly obvious why you are voting for who you are voting for. What this does is forces Scum to have to come up with reasons for their votes, which Scum have a more difficult time with coming up with believable reads than Town. That said, sometimes the reasons I give are not "accepted" reasons due to their "out-of-the-box" nature.
    I prefer as playing as Town for a few reasons. First reason is that I don’t feel as much pressure to perform as Town and I can just play being me. Secondly, I feel EVERYONE should prioritise their Town game over Scum game for the very simple fact that you will statistically play as Town far more often that anything else.

    With that said, I am ecstatic I am Town this game!





    Pre-prepared wallies are scummy mate.

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    Jesus christ dude, how long ago did you write all that $#@!
    The Townie/Scummy list was done August 2015 and I just updated a few things here and there recently to make it fit this game more.

    The first video was picked yesterday. Because I was excited I was Town, I figured I would add two more songs by the same band to create a tryptic. Directly after the Scummy list in the second paragraph, I made that a few hours ago. Most of the things after the second video I did last night or earlier, with a few things here and there added after I got my role.
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    It's been a long road to make it to this point in my career:



    I am going to be using these behavioral cues as a baseline for judging whether someone is Town or Scum:

    Townie behavior

    1. Being active - If you are making the bare minimum of the post requirement you are probably not posting enough. Being active does two things. 1) Makes it easier for people to give you a town read and 2) prevents Scum from winning simply from lurking the whole game.
    2. Asking probing questions - this is a huge part of the game. If you are not asking questions to players, you best have a really good reason for why. Asking questions help in a multitude of different reasons and a thread could probably be made just on this but here are a few. 1) It tells Town that you are actively trying to solve the game which can help you get a town read. 2) Obviously if you ask a question you are going to get some information out of it even if they don't answer which can help you to clinch that scum read you were thinking about or help clear someone from possibly getting lynch that is Town. 3) It can stop you from assuming something about someone by simply asking a question like "What do you mean?" or "Why?" or "Could you explain your thought process here?"
    3. Providing a conclusion - Simply providing a rundown of what has happened in the thread can help, but it helps 10X more when you provide what your thoughts are about what has happened means rather than simply stating facts. Conclusions should be logically sound and not something used as WIFOM to be effective. Your conclusion should be Inductive or Deductive reasoning and something that is not easily refutable. An accurate conclusion doesn't have to be a super complex thing, it can simply be used to tell if what someone says is true or not
    4. Putting in effort into the game - Play every game like you want to win and if you can't do that, don't play. Showing effort may not be AI, but based on the content that is produced from putting in effort very well could be.
    5. SCUM HUNTING -admittedly this looks different for different playstyles, but it should be obvious that you are doing it. I expect each and every person in this game to Scum hunt since that is the basic fundamental basis for a mountainous game. If you are not Scum hunting, I will be raining fire down on your ass.
    6. Observing reactions - It is one things to make plays yourself, but it’s on another level altogether to observe and make a conclusion on a conversation that you were not even a part of. Keep your eyes sharp and watch everything that happens in the thread and comment on what what observations and conclusions you have made. Often the best posts are ones that have a lot of people involved in a single conversation and it sometimes just takes someone with the wherewithal to conclude what several people have said about a single topic. I admit this is very difficult for me to do personally.
    7. Making new points - if you are making new points on things and providing new analysis to the game, this shows that you are actively trying to solve the game. This is something that is Townie because Scum have a harder time to come up with new legitimate things to analyze in the game.



    Scummy behavior

    1. Posting WAY too much - If you are taking up a large chunk of the total post in the thread you are posting way too much and are not allowing discussion from happening between many people that would otherwise have plenty to say about the game and to each other. This is mostly a problem if you are posting fluff, but if you have half the post in the game, you are going to need to relax a bit. I have been guilty of this on may occasions.
    2. Posting too little - If you are posting the bare minimum of the post requirement you are not giving town enough to work with. Even if you are just posting the bare minimum and making huge gigantic posts with one liners, this does not help town win for two reasons 1) It keeps people from even wanting to read that monster, let alone respond to everything you have said and 2) It does a lot of harm for the thread to flow organically. If people are not responding to things as they come up then there is really no change of opinion for people when you are bringing up a lot of old information that can get addressed relatively easily by just letting people think about a couple topics at a time and being able to then come up with a conclusion. This is not the same as an ISO where you are quoting many posts from a specific person.
    3. Extreme WIFOM - While debatably WIFOM has its place even as a Town tactic, if all you are doing is that, then you are not helping Town narrow down possibilities, but instead creating conversations that don't lead to anywhere.
    4. Low effort posting - while effort isn’t indicative of alignment, if all you are doing is making low effort posts i.e. just one liners, I am going to assume you are just trying to coast as Mafia to get an easy win by watching Town tear itself apart.
    5. Voting for yourself without a really good reason - While it's really easy sometimes to throw up a vote for yourself, most of the time it creates a ton of unnecessary WIFOM and is rarely productive for Town to help in finding scum debatably. I don’t want to see anyone doing this in this game because this game is mountainous. I only expect Scum to do it to hammer themselves to take time away from Town.
    6. IIoA (information instead of analysis) - This is where you are stating facts but are not providing any kind of conclusion on what this means. Almost anyone has the capability of giving facts that have happened in the thread, but if you are not telling what that means, it just ends up being a recap of events that doesn't add anything new.
    7. Sheeping too much- While sheeping as an isolated incident isn’t a Scum tell, doing it over and over without ever providing any of your own thoughts out there is Scummy.



    Note that these are only a baseline and I will be looking at a lot more things, but obviously I can’t tell you everything I am going to look at to judge whether someone is Scum or not. The other part of this is that I tend to look at motivation a lot and try to judge whether someone is making X post as Town or Scum and this will usually trump any of these above behaviors.

    It is my humble opinion that this setup is ridiculously Scum sided. Not only does Town not have a single PR to dead with the odds against them, but Scum also have Day Chat. Evidence of this is seen in the fact that every Scum team has won for the first 4 completed games in the MC. I would have voted for 14:3 without Day Chat for Scum. With that said, If all Town follow these guidelines, I feel this will give Town an edge. So let's not let these Scum $#@!s rule our destiny!



    Some things about me and some possible difficulties in reading me:

    I sometimes say some things that people don’t understand or they don’t think my reasoning is valid. If I do this, don’t just assume I am Scum for me saying this. Instead I will ask that you ask me about what I meant so I can try and articulate myself better saying roughly the same things with more or different words used and more explanation given.
    I don’t believe RVS (Random Voting Stage) is conductive to produce content any better than any other method so I’m going to avoid it because I think there are better things you can lead off with than that.
    We are lynching D1, period. Statistically speaking, Town has a better chance of winning when there is a lynch D1, at least where I come from.
    I am a very strong believer that a reason should always be given for a vote and if a reasons is not given, it should be blindingly obvious why you are voting for who you are voting for. What this does is forces Scum to have to come up with reasons for their votes, which Scum have a more difficult time with coming up with believable reads than Town. That said, sometimes the reasons I give are not "accepted" reasons due to their "out-of-the-box" nature.
    I prefer as playing as Town for a few reasons. First reason is that I don’t feel as much pressure to perform as Town and I can just play being me. Secondly, I feel EVERYONE should prioritise their Town game over Scum game for the very simple fact that you will statistically play as Town far more often that anything else.

    With that said, I am ecstatic I am Town this game!





    Pre-prepared wallies are scummy mate.
    How can it be Scummy if I did it before I got my role? Not arguing everything I did was before I got my role, but the majority of it was.

    Why is it Scummy? Why are you saying the fact of what I did is Scummy without looking at why I did it?
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    Wait don't tell me you start every game off with that list lmao
    $#@! no. This is a special game in my career as a Mafia player. As such I took special care to create this.
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    It's been a long road to make it to this point in my career:



    I am going to be using these behavioral cues as a baseline for judging whether someone is Town or Scum:

    Townie behavior

    1. Being active - If you are making the bare minimum of the post requirement you are probably not posting enough. Being active does two things. 1) Makes it easier for people to give you a town read and 2) prevents Scum from winning simply from lurking the whole game.
    2. Asking probing questions - this is a huge part of the game. If you are not asking questions to players, you best have a really good reason for why. Asking questions help in a multitude of different reasons and a thread could probably be made just on this but here are a few. 1) It tells Town that you are actively trying to solve the game which can help you get a town read. 2) Obviously if you ask a question you are going to get some information out of it even if they don't answer which can help you to clinch that scum read you were thinking about or help clear someone from possibly getting lynch that is Town. 3) It can stop you from assuming something about someone by simply asking a question like "What do you mean?" or "Why?" or "Could you explain your thought process here?"
    3. Providing a conclusion - Simply providing a rundown of what has happened in the thread can help, but it helps 10X more when you provide what your thoughts are about what has happened means rather than simply stating facts. Conclusions should be logically sound and not something used as WIFOM to be effective. Your conclusion should be Inductive or Deductive reasoning and something that is not easily refutable. An accurate conclusion doesn't have to be a super complex thing, it can simply be used to tell if what someone says is true or not
    4. Putting in effort into the game - Play every game like you want to win and if you can't do that, don't play. Showing effort may not be AI, but based on the content that is produced from putting in effort very well could be.
    5. SCUM HUNTING -admittedly this looks different for different playstyles, but it should be obvious that you are doing it. I expect each and every person in this game to Scum hunt since that is the basic fundamental basis for a mountainous game. If you are not Scum hunting, I will be raining fire down on your ass.
    6. Observing reactions - It is one things to make plays yourself, but it’s on another level altogether to observe and make a conclusion on a conversation that you were not even a part of. Keep your eyes sharp and watch everything that happens in the thread and comment on what what observations and conclusions you have made. Often the best posts are ones that have a lot of people involved in a single conversation and it sometimes just takes someone with the wherewithal to conclude what several people have said about a single topic. I admit this is very difficult for me to do personally.
    7. Making new points - if you are making new points on things and providing new analysis to the game, this shows that you are actively trying to solve the game. This is something that is Townie because Scum have a harder time to come up with new legitimate things to analyze in the game.



    Scummy behavior

    1. Posting WAY too much - If you are taking up a large chunk of the total post in the thread you are posting way too much and are not allowing discussion from happening between many people that would otherwise have plenty to say about the game and to each other. This is mostly a problem if you are posting fluff, but if you have half the post in the game, you are going to need to relax a bit. I have been guilty of this on may occasions.
    2. Posting too little - If you are posting the bare minimum of the post requirement you are not giving town enough to work with. Even if you are just posting the bare minimum and making huge gigantic posts with one liners, this does not help town win for two reasons 1) It keeps people from even wanting to read that monster, let alone respond to everything you have said and 2) It does a lot of harm for the thread to flow organically. If people are not responding to things as they come up then there is really no change of opinion for people when you are bringing up a lot of old information that can get addressed relatively easily by just letting people think about a couple topics at a time and being able to then come up with a conclusion. This is not the same as an ISO where you are quoting many posts from a specific person.
    3. Extreme WIFOM - While debatably WIFOM has its place even as a Town tactic, if all you are doing is that, then you are not helping Town narrow down possibilities, but instead creating conversations that don't lead to anywhere.
    4. Low effort posting - while effort isn’t indicative of alignment, if all you are doing is making low effort posts i.e. just one liners, I am going to assume you are just trying to coast as Mafia to get an easy win by watching Town tear itself apart.
    5. Voting for yourself without a really good reason - While it's really easy sometimes to throw up a vote for yourself, most of the time it creates a ton of unnecessary WIFOM and is rarely productive for Town to help in finding scum debatably. I don’t want to see anyone doing this in this game because this game is mountainous. I only expect Scum to do it to hammer themselves to take time away from Town.
    6. IIoA (information instead of analysis) - This is where you are stating facts but are not providing any kind of conclusion on what this means. Almost anyone has the capability of giving facts that have happened in the thread, but if you are not telling what that means, it just ends up being a recap of events that doesn't add anything new.
    7. Sheeping too much- While sheeping as an isolated incident isn’t a Scum tell, doing it over and over without ever providing any of your own thoughts out there is Scummy.



    Note that these are only a baseline and I will be looking at a lot more things, but obviously I can’t tell you everything I am going to look at to judge whether someone is Scum or not. The other part of this is that I tend to look at motivation a lot and try to judge whether someone is making X post as Town or Scum and this will usually trump any of these above behaviors.

    It is my humble opinion that this setup is ridiculously Scum sided. Not only does Town not have a single PR to dead with the odds against them, but Scum also have Day Chat. Evidence of this is seen in the fact that every Scum team has won for the first 4 completed games in the MC. I would have voted for 14:3 without Day Chat for Scum. With that said, If all Town follow these guidelines, I feel this will give Town an edge. So let's not let these Scum $#@!s rule our destiny!



    Some things about me and some possible difficulties in reading me:

    I sometimes say some things that people don’t understand or they don’t think my reasoning is valid. If I do this, don’t just assume I am Scum for me saying this. Instead I will ask that you ask me about what I meant so I can try and articulate myself better saying roughly the same things with more or different words used and more explanation given.
    I don’t believe RVS (Random Voting Stage) is conductive to produce content any better than any other method so I’m going to avoid it because I think there are better things you can lead off with than that.
    We are lynching D1, period. Statistically speaking, Town has a better chance of winning when there is a lynch D1, at least where I come from.
    I am a very strong believer that a reason should always be given for a vote and if a reasons is not given, it should be blindingly obvious why you are voting for who you are voting for. What this does is forces Scum to have to come up with reasons for their votes, which Scum have a more difficult time with coming up with believable reads than Town. That said, sometimes the reasons I give are not "accepted" reasons due to their "out-of-the-box" nature.
    I prefer as playing as Town for a few reasons. First reason is that I don’t feel as much pressure to perform as Town and I can just play being me. Secondly, I feel EVERYONE should prioritise their Town game over Scum game for the very simple fact that you will statistically play as Town far more often that anything else.

    With that said, I am ecstatic I am Town this game!





    Pre-prepared wallies are scummy mate.
    How can it be Scummy if I did it before I got my role? Not arguing everything I did was before I got my role, but the majority of it was.

    Why is it Scummy? Why are you saying the fact of what I did is Scummy without looking at why I did it?
    Because it's a joke.

    Why you assume I didn't look at why you did it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quick (#12)
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    It's been a long road to make it to this point in my career:



    I am going to be using these behavioral cues as a baseline for judging whether someone is Town or Scum:

    Townie behavior

    1. Being active - If you are making the bare minimum of the post requirement you are probably not posting enough. Being active does two things. 1) Makes it easier for people to give you a town read and 2) prevents Scum from winning simply from lurking the whole game.
    2. Asking probing questions - this is a huge part of the game. If you are not asking questions to players, you best have a really good reason for why. Asking questions help in a multitude of different reasons and a thread could probably be made just on this but here are a few. 1) It tells Town that you are actively trying to solve the game which can help you get a town read. 2) Obviously if you ask a question you are going to get some information out of it even if they don't answer which can help you to clinch that scum read you were thinking about or help clear someone from possibly getting lynch that is Town. 3) It can stop you from assuming something about someone by simply asking a question like "What do you mean?" or "Why?" or "Could you explain your thought process here?"
    3. Providing a conclusion - Simply providing a rundown of what has happened in the thread can help, but it helps 10X more when you provide what your thoughts are about what has happened means rather than simply stating facts. Conclusions should be logically sound and not something used as WIFOM to be effective. Your conclusion should be Inductive or Deductive reasoning and something that is not easily refutable. An accurate conclusion doesn't have to be a super complex thing, it can simply be used to tell if what someone says is true or not
    4. Putting in effort into the game - Play every game like you want to win and if you can't do that, don't play. Showing effort may not be AI, but based on the content that is produced from putting in effort very well could be.
    5. SCUM HUNTING -admittedly this looks different for different playstyles, but it should be obvious that you are doing it. I expect each and every person in this game to Scum hunt since that is the basic fundamental basis for a mountainous game. If you are not Scum hunting, I will be raining fire down on your ass.
    6. Observing reactions - It is one things to make plays yourself, but it’s on another level altogether to observe and make a conclusion on a conversation that you were not even a part of. Keep your eyes sharp and watch everything that happens in the thread and comment on what what observations and conclusions you have made. Often the best posts are ones that have a lot of people involved in a single conversation and it sometimes just takes someone with the wherewithal to conclude what several people have said about a single topic. I admit this is very difficult for me to do personally.
    7. Making new points - if you are making new points on things and providing new analysis to the game, this shows that you are actively trying to solve the game. This is something that is Townie because Scum have a harder time to come up with new legitimate things to analyze in the game.



    Scummy behavior

    1. Posting WAY too much - If you are taking up a large chunk of the total post in the thread you are posting way too much and are not allowing discussion from happening between many people that would otherwise have plenty to say about the game and to each other. This is mostly a problem if you are posting fluff, but if you have half the post in the game, you are going to need to relax a bit. I have been guilty of this on may occasions.
    2. Posting too little - If you are posting the bare minimum of the post requirement you are not giving town enough to work with. Even if you are just posting the bare minimum and making huge gigantic posts with one liners, this does not help town win for two reasons 1) It keeps people from even wanting to read that monster, let alone respond to everything you have said and 2) It does a lot of harm for the thread to flow organically. If people are not responding to things as they come up then there is really no change of opinion for people when you are bringing up a lot of old information that can get addressed relatively easily by just letting people think about a couple topics at a time and being able to then come up with a conclusion. This is not the same as an ISO where you are quoting many posts from a specific person.
    3. Extreme WIFOM - While debatably WIFOM has its place even as a Town tactic, if all you are doing is that, then you are not helping Town narrow down possibilities, but instead creating conversations that don't lead to anywhere.
    4. Low effort posting - while effort isn’t indicative of alignment, if all you are doing is making low effort posts i.e. just one liners, I am going to assume you are just trying to coast as Mafia to get an easy win by watching Town tear itself apart.
    5. Voting for yourself without a really good reason - While it's really easy sometimes to throw up a vote for yourself, most of the time it creates a ton of unnecessary WIFOM and is rarely productive for Town to help in finding scum debatably. I don’t want to see anyone doing this in this game because this game is mountainous. I only expect Scum to do it to hammer themselves to take time away from Town.
    6. IIoA (information instead of analysis) - This is where you are stating facts but are not providing any kind of conclusion on what this means. Almost anyone has the capability of giving facts that have happened in the thread, but if you are not telling what that means, it just ends up being a recap of events that doesn't add anything new.
    7. Sheeping too much- While sheeping as an isolated incident isn’t a Scum tell, doing it over and over without ever providing any of your own thoughts out there is Scummy.



    Note that these are only a baseline and I will be looking at a lot more things, but obviously I can’t tell you everything I am going to look at to judge whether someone is Scum or not. The other part of this is that I tend to look at motivation a lot and try to judge whether someone is making X post as Town or Scum and this will usually trump any of these above behaviors.

    It is my humble opinion that this setup is ridiculously Scum sided. Not only does Town not have a single PR to dead with the odds against them, but Scum also have Day Chat. Evidence of this is seen in the fact that every Scum team has won for the first 4 completed games in the MC. I would have voted for 14:3 without Day Chat for Scum. With that said, If all Town follow these guidelines, I feel this will give Town an edge. So let's not let these Scum $#@!s rule our destiny!



    Some things about me and some possible difficulties in reading me:

    I sometimes say some things that people don’t understand or they don’t think my reasoning is valid. If I do this, don’t just assume I am Scum for me saying this. Instead I will ask that you ask me about what I meant so I can try and articulate myself better saying roughly the same things with more or different words used and more explanation given.
    I don’t believe RVS (Random Voting Stage) is conductive to produce content any better than any other method so I’m going to avoid it because I think there are better things you can lead off with than that.
    We are lynching D1, period. Statistically speaking, Town has a better chance of winning when there is a lynch D1, at least where I come from.
    I am a very strong believer that a reason should always be given for a vote and if a reasons is not given, it should be blindingly obvious why you are voting for who you are voting for. What this does is forces Scum to have to come up with reasons for their votes, which Scum have a more difficult time with coming up with believable reads than Town. That said, sometimes the reasons I give are not "accepted" reasons due to their "out-of-the-box" nature.
    I prefer as playing as Town for a few reasons. First reason is that I don’t feel as much pressure to perform as Town and I can just play being me. Secondly, I feel EVERYONE should prioritise their Town game over Scum game for the very simple fact that you will statistically play as Town far more often that anything else.

    With that said, I am ecstatic I am Town this game!





    Pre-prepared wallies are scummy mate.
    How can it be Scummy if I did it before I got my role? Not arguing everything I did was before I got my role, but the majority of it was.

    Why is it Scummy? Why are you saying the fact of what I did is Scummy without looking at why I did it?
    Because it's a joke.

    Why you assume I didn't look at why you did it?
    Because you didn't mention a single thing that was listed in the actual post. You basically made a blanket statement about something you didn't even comment on.
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    Also, let's be clear @Sorry, do you agree with the post or not? I don't care if you think its Scummy for me to provide a pre-made post... You haven't actually argued why its Scummy, you've just said that it is because its a joke. I would like detailed reasons why what I did was Scummy as opposed why its NAI or Townie. Full thought process on this please, because I know I am Town and I know its not Scummy.
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    Are you crazy?
    Midnight here, login at forum...and BOOOOOOOOOOOM...a new book about mafia...
    You hate me, don´t you?

    Anyway, thank you for sharing...although I´ll be reading it for hours

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    It's been a long road to make it to this point in my career:



    I am going to be using these behavioral cues as a baseline for judging whether someone is Town or Scum:

    Townie behavior

    1. Being active - If you are making the bare minimum of the post requirement you are probably not posting enough. Being active does two things. 1) Makes it easier for people to give you a town read and 2) prevents Scum from winning simply from lurking the whole game.
    2. Asking probing questions - this is a huge part of the game. If you are not asking questions to players, you best have a really good reason for why. Asking questions help in a multitude of different reasons and a thread could probably be made just on this but here are a few. 1) It tells Town that you are actively trying to solve the game which can help you get a town read. 2) Obviously if you ask a question you are going to get some information out of it even if they don't answer which can help you to clinch that scum read you were thinking about or help clear someone from possibly getting lynch that is Town. 3) It can stop you from assuming something about someone by simply asking a question like "What do you mean?" or "Why?" or "Could you explain your thought process here?"
    3. Providing a conclusion - Simply providing a rundown of what has happened in the thread can help, but it helps 10X more when you provide what your thoughts are about what has happened means rather than simply stating facts. Conclusions should be logically sound and not something used as WIFOM to be effective. Your conclusion should be Inductive or Deductive reasoning and something that is not easily refutable. An accurate conclusion doesn't have to be a super complex thing, it can simply be used to tell if what someone says is true or not
    4. Putting in effort into the game - Play every game like you want to win and if you can't do that, don't play. Showing effort may not be AI, but based on the content that is produced from putting in effort very well could be.
    5. SCUM HUNTING -admittedly this looks different for different playstyles, but it should be obvious that you are doing it. I expect each and every person in this game to Scum hunt since that is the basic fundamental basis for a mountainous game. If you are not Scum hunting, I will be raining fire down on your ass.
    6. Observing reactions - It is one things to make plays yourself, but it’s on another level altogether to observe and make a conclusion on a conversation that you were not even a part of. Keep your eyes sharp and watch everything that happens in the thread and comment on what what observations and conclusions you have made. Often the best posts are ones that have a lot of people involved in a single conversation and it sometimes just takes someone with the wherewithal to conclude what several people have said about a single topic. I admit this is very difficult for me to do personally.
    7. Making new points - if you are making new points on things and providing new analysis to the game, this shows that you are actively trying to solve the game. This is something that is Townie because Scum have a harder time to come up with new legitimate things to analyze in the game.



    Scummy behavior

    1. Posting WAY too much - If you are taking up a large chunk of the total post in the thread you are posting way too much and are not allowing discussion from happening between many people that would otherwise have plenty to say about the game and to each other. This is mostly a problem if you are posting fluff, but if you have half the post in the game, you are going to need to relax a bit. I have been guilty of this on may occasions.
    2. Posting too little - If you are posting the bare minimum of the post requirement you are not giving town enough to work with. Even if you are just posting the bare minimum and making huge gigantic posts with one liners, this does not help town win for two reasons 1) It keeps people from even wanting to read that monster, let alone respond to everything you have said and 2) It does a lot of harm for the thread to flow organically. If people are not responding to things as they come up then there is really no change of opinion for people when you are bringing up a lot of old information that can get addressed relatively easily by just letting people think about a couple topics at a time and being able to then come up with a conclusion. This is not the same as an ISO where you are quoting many posts from a specific person.
    3. Extreme WIFOM - While debatably WIFOM has its place even as a Town tactic, if all you are doing is that, then you are not helping Town narrow down possibilities, but instead creating conversations that don't lead to anywhere.
    4. Low effort posting - while effort isn’t indicative of alignment, if all you are doing is making low effort posts i.e. just one liners, I am going to assume you are just trying to coast as Mafia to get an easy win by watching Town tear itself apart.
    5. Voting for yourself without a really good reason - While it's really easy sometimes to throw up a vote for yourself, most of the time it creates a ton of unnecessary WIFOM and is rarely productive for Town to help in finding scum debatably. I don’t want to see anyone doing this in this game because this game is mountainous. I only expect Scum to do it to hammer themselves to take time away from Town.
    6. IIoA (information instead of analysis) - This is where you are stating facts but are not providing any kind of conclusion on what this means. Almost anyone has the capability of giving facts that have happened in the thread, but if you are not telling what that means, it just ends up being a recap of events that doesn't add anything new.
    7. Sheeping too much- While sheeping as an isolated incident isn’t a Scum tell, doing it over and over without ever providing any of your own thoughts out there is Scummy.



    Note that these are only a baseline and I will be looking at a lot more things, but obviously I can’t tell you everything I am going to look at to judge whether someone is Scum or not. The other part of this is that I tend to look at motivation a lot and try to judge whether someone is making X post as Town or Scum and this will usually trump any of these above behaviors.

    It is my humble opinion that this setup is ridiculously Scum sided. Not only does Town not have a single PR to dead with the odds against them, but Scum also have Day Chat. Evidence of this is seen in the fact that every Scum team has won for the first 4 completed games in the MC. I would have voted for 14:3 without Day Chat for Scum. With that said, If all Town follow these guidelines, I feel this will give Town an edge. So let's not let these Scum $#@!s rule our destiny!



    Some things about me and some possible difficulties in reading me:

    I sometimes say some things that people don’t understand or they don’t think my reasoning is valid. If I do this, don’t just assume I am Scum for me saying this. Instead I will ask that you ask me about what I meant so I can try and articulate myself better saying roughly the same things with more or different words used and more explanation given.
    I don’t believe RVS (Random Voting Stage) is conductive to produce content any better than any other method so I’m going to avoid it because I think there are better things you can lead off with than that.
    We are lynching D1, period. Statistically speaking, Town has a better chance of winning when there is a lynch D1, at least where I come from.
    I am a very strong believer that a reason should always be given for a vote and if a reasons is not given, it should be blindingly obvious why you are voting for who you are voting for. What this does is forces Scum to have to come up with reasons for their votes, which Scum have a more difficult time with coming up with believable reads than Town. That said, sometimes the reasons I give are not "accepted" reasons due to their "out-of-the-box" nature.
    I prefer as playing as Town for a few reasons. First reason is that I don’t feel as much pressure to perform as Town and I can just play being me. Secondly, I feel EVERYONE should prioritise their Town game over Scum game for the very simple fact that you will statistically play as Town far more often that anything else.

    With that said, I am ecstatic I am Town this game!





    Pre-prepared wallies are scummy mate.
    How can it be Scummy if I did it before I got my role? Not arguing everything I did was before I got my role, but the majority of it was.

    Why is it Scummy? Why are you saying the fact of what I did is Scummy without looking at why I did it?

    Why are you capitalizing scummy

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    Let us have fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quick (#12)
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    It's been a long road to make it to this point in my career:



    I am going to be using these behavioral cues as a baseline for judging whether someone is Town or Scum:

    Townie behavior

    1. Being active - If you are making the bare minimum of the post requirement you are probably not posting enough. Being active does two things. 1) Makes it easier for people to give you a town read and 2) prevents Scum from winning simply from lurking the whole game.
    2. Asking probing questions - this is a huge part of the game. If you are not asking questions to players, you best have a really good reason for why. Asking questions help in a multitude of different reasons and a thread could probably be made just on this but here are a few. 1) It tells Town that you are actively trying to solve the game which can help you get a town read. 2) Obviously if you ask a question you are going to get some information out of it even if they don't answer which can help you to clinch that scum read you were thinking about or help clear someone from possibly getting lynch that is Town. 3) It can stop you from assuming something about someone by simply asking a question like "What do you mean?" or "Why?" or "Could you explain your thought process here?"
    3. Providing a conclusion - Simply providing a rundown of what has happened in the thread can help, but it helps 10X more when you provide what your thoughts are about what has happened means rather than simply stating facts. Conclusions should be logically sound and not something used as WIFOM to be effective. Your conclusion should be Inductive or Deductive reasoning and something that is not easily refutable. An accurate conclusion doesn't have to be a super complex thing, it can simply be used to tell if what someone says is true or not
    4. Putting in effort into the game - Play every game like you want to win and if you can't do that, don't play. Showing effort may not be AI, but based on the content that is produced from putting in effort very well could be.
    5. SCUM HUNTING -admittedly this looks different for different playstyles, but it should be obvious that you are doing it. I expect each and every person in this game to Scum hunt since that is the basic fundamental basis for a mountainous game. If you are not Scum hunting, I will be raining fire down on your ass.
    6. Observing reactions - It is one things to make plays yourself, but it’s on another level altogether to observe and make a conclusion on a conversation that you were not even a part of. Keep your eyes sharp and watch everything that happens in the thread and comment on what what observations and conclusions you have made. Often the best posts are ones that have a lot of people involved in a single conversation and it sometimes just takes someone with the wherewithal to conclude what several people have said about a single topic. I admit this is very difficult for me to do personally.
    7. Making new points - if you are making new points on things and providing new analysis to the game, this shows that you are actively trying to solve the game. This is something that is Townie because Scum have a harder time to come up with new legitimate things to analyze in the game.



    Scummy behavior

    1. Posting WAY too much - If you are taking up a large chunk of the total post in the thread you are posting way too much and are not allowing discussion from happening between many people that would otherwise have plenty to say about the game and to each other. This is mostly a problem if you are posting fluff, but if you have half the post in the game, you are going to need to relax a bit. I have been guilty of this on may occasions.
    2. Posting too little - If you are posting the bare minimum of the post requirement you are not giving town enough to work with. Even if you are just posting the bare minimum and making huge gigantic posts with one liners, this does not help town win for two reasons 1) It keeps people from even wanting to read that monster, let alone respond to everything you have said and 2) It does a lot of harm for the thread to flow organically. If people are not responding to things as they come up then there is really no change of opinion for people when you are bringing up a lot of old information that can get addressed relatively easily by just letting people think about a couple topics at a time and being able to then come up with a conclusion. This is not the same as an ISO where you are quoting many posts from a specific person.
    3. Extreme WIFOM - While debatably WIFOM has its place even as a Town tactic, if all you are doing is that, then you are not helping Town narrow down possibilities, but instead creating conversations that don't lead to anywhere.
    4. Low effort posting - while effort isn’t indicative of alignment, if all you are doing is making low effort posts i.e. just one liners, I am going to assume you are just trying to coast as Mafia to get an easy win by watching Town tear itself apart.
    5. Voting for yourself without a really good reason - While it's really easy sometimes to throw up a vote for yourself, most of the time it creates a ton of unnecessary WIFOM and is rarely productive for Town to help in finding scum debatably. I don’t want to see anyone doing this in this game because this game is mountainous. I only expect Scum to do it to hammer themselves to take time away from Town.
    6. IIoA (information instead of analysis) - This is where you are stating facts but are not providing any kind of conclusion on what this means. Almost anyone has the capability of giving facts that have happened in the thread, but if you are not telling what that means, it just ends up being a recap of events that doesn't add anything new.
    7. Sheeping too much- While sheeping as an isolated incident isn’t a Scum tell, doing it over and over without ever providing any of your own thoughts out there is Scummy.



    Note that these are only a baseline and I will be looking at a lot more things, but obviously I can’t tell you everything I am going to look at to judge whether someone is Scum or not. The other part of this is that I tend to look at motivation a lot and try to judge whether someone is making X post as Town or Scum and this will usually trump any of these above behaviors.

    It is my humble opinion that this setup is ridiculously Scum sided. Not only does Town not have a single PR to dead with the odds against them, but Scum also have Day Chat. Evidence of this is seen in the fact that every Scum team has won for the first 4 completed games in the MC. I would have voted for 14:3 without Day Chat for Scum. With that said, If all Town follow these guidelines, I feel this will give Town an edge. So let's not let these Scum $#@!s rule our destiny!



    Some things about me and some possible difficulties in reading me:

    I sometimes say some things that people don’t understand or they don’t think my reasoning is valid. If I do this, don’t just assume I am Scum for me saying this. Instead I will ask that you ask me about what I meant so I can try and articulate myself better saying roughly the same things with more or different words used and more explanation given.
    I don’t believe RVS (Random Voting Stage) is conductive to produce content any better than any other method so I’m going to avoid it because I think there are better things you can lead off with than that.
    We are lynching D1, period. Statistically speaking, Town has a better chance of winning when there is a lynch D1, at least where I come from.
    I am a very strong believer that a reason should always be given for a vote and if a reasons is not given, it should be blindingly obvious why you are voting for who you are voting for. What this does is forces Scum to have to come up with reasons for their votes, which Scum have a more difficult time with coming up with believable reads than Town. That said, sometimes the reasons I give are not "accepted" reasons due to their "out-of-the-box" nature.
    I prefer as playing as Town for a few reasons. First reason is that I don’t feel as much pressure to perform as Town and I can just play being me. Secondly, I feel EVERYONE should prioritise their Town game over Scum game for the very simple fact that you will statistically play as Town far more often that anything else.

    With that said, I am ecstatic I am Town this game!





    Pre-prepared wallies are scummy mate.
    How can it be Scummy if I did it before I got my role? Not arguing everything I did was before I got my role, but the majority of it was.

    Why is it Scummy? Why are you saying the fact of what I did is Scummy without looking at why I did it?

    Why are you capitalizing scummy

    Because I always capitalize Townie, Town, Scummy Scum.

    Feel free to fact check me Here I have almost all of my games I have ever played listed here and the games I have played on MafiaScum are linked. Otherwise, you should be able to search for the games listed in the Off Site Games section except for a few sites (I think just PerC).
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    Pre-prepared wallies are scummy mate.
    How can it be Scummy if I did it before I got my role? Not arguing everything I did was before I got my role, but the majority of it was.

    Why is it Scummy? Why are you saying the fact of what I did is Scummy without looking at why I did it?

    Why are you capitalizing scummy

    Because I always capitalize Townie, Town, Scummy, Scum.

    Feel free to fact check me Here I have almost all of my games I have ever played listed here and the games I have played on MafiaScum are linked. Otherwise, you should be able to search for the games listed in the Off Site Games section except for a few sites (I think just PerC).
    EBWOP forgot the comma, don't want to give Didi the idea I did it on purpose, which I suppose I could understand.
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    All the features on this site are cool and all but it makes it annoyingly slow on my phone

    Anyway see you in however many days it will take me to catch up afyer I wake up, that is if I'm not lynched before it. Goodnight.

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    I believe you (and who the hell would be autistic enough to factcheck something as unimportant as that)
    and I don't care about the comma
    are you going to be like this the whole game? >_>

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    Quote Originally Posted by Didi (#23)
    I believe you (and who the hell would be autistic enough to factcheck something as unimportant as that)
    and I don't care about the comma
    are you going to be like this the whole game? >_>
    I have one speed in Mafia: Go. But to be fair, I should prolly let others chime in, so I guess this is where I stop posting for the time being unless someone addresses me on something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iwaes Nominated (#22)
    All the features on this site are cool and all but it makes it annoyingly slow on my phone

    Anyway see you in however many days it will take me to catch up afyer I wake up, that is if I'm not lynched before it. Goodnight.
    Why would you be lynched before waking up? Are you just a really bad scum player?

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    Day 1 ends at 6:00 PM EDT on Wednesday, May 31st, 2017. There are 1496268060000 remaining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quick (#7)
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    Scummy behavior

    [LIST=1][*]Posting WAY too much - If you are taking up a large chunk of the total post in the thread you are posting way too much and are not allowing discussion from happening between many people that would otherwise have plenty to say about the game and to each other. This is mostly a problem if you are posting fluff, but if you have half the post in the game, you are going to need to relax a bit. I have been guilty of this on may occasions.
    Might want to ease back a bit there, dude... You've made about half the posts in the thread already

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quick (#16)
    Also, let's be clear @Sorry, do you agree with the post or not? I don't care if you think its Scummy for me to provide a pre-made post... You haven't actually argued why its Scummy, you've just said that it is because its a joke. I would like detailed reasons why what I did was Scummy as opposed why its NAI or Townie. Full thought process on this please, because I know I am Town and I know its not Scummy.

    Well, first of all, sorry for my english. Perhaps is a point yo could be included in your list; if the language you use in the game is difficult for someone...perhaps thats the reason why his contribution aren´t so extensive than others.

    As a baseline, i think is interesting. But as you probably know, Each player has his own personality. I met people who always seem Scum, another who always seen Town...even People who always seem the opposite of what is

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    The other champ games have all ended with a mafia win but in terms of probability, if it was just random votes each day, it should be nearer 50-50. I've only vaguely followed the other games - is there anything we can do as town to ensure we don't fall into a trap that those other players did? I played a practice game on here which finished today and one thing we did was put too much faith in people voting for mafia because it's one of the only true indicators we had to work with. The guy who won voted for both his media buddies, and was listed as the first voter on one of them on day 1.

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    I'm not going to provide a wall of text but I will policy lynch people who start overusing meta to try and scumhunt. I don't care that you've played with someone before or know how they play - we can't verify it and it's unreliable. It also just confuses the game as it brings in evidence which the rest of us don't have access to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iwaes Nominated (#22)
    All the features on this site are cool and all but it makes it annoyingly slow on my phone

    Anyway see you in however many days it will take me to catch up afyer I wake up, that is if I'm not lynched before it. Goodnight.
    There's an option at the bottom of the page to change it to a mobile skin, but yeah the site is a bit unwieldy for a phone. Nice username btw

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    I initially wanted to get scum because I have more fun playing as scum, but now that I see every other completed game has gone to scum I feel a bit happier about getting town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomKat (#30)
    I'm not going to provide a wall of text but I will policy lynch people who start overusing meta to try and scumhunt. I don't care that you've played with someone before or know how they play - we can't verify it and it's unreliable. It also just confuses the game as it brings in evidence which the rest of us don't have access to.
    We don't have room to policy lynch if four other towns failed to win without them. I also don't understand why you think meta is any less verifiable than "I think scum is more likely to do this"; I can link past games and show how accurate I am in reading someone and that seems like more definitive proof than most things in mafia.

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    Pre-prepared wallies are scummy mate.
    How can it be Scummy if I did it before I got my role? Not arguing everything I did was before I got my role, but the majority of it was.

    Why is it Scummy? Why are you saying the fact of what I did is Scummy without looking at why I did it?
    Because it's a joke.

    Why you assume I didn't look at why you did it?
    Because you didn't mention a single thing that was listed in the actual post. You basically made a blanket statement about something you didn't even comment on.
    I find your lack of humor disturbing.

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    Pre-prepared wallies are scummy mate.
    How can it be Scummy if I did it before I got my role? Not arguing everything I did was before I got my role, but the majority of it was.

    Why is it Scummy? Why are you saying the fact of what I did is Scummy without looking at why I did it?
    Because it's a joke.

    Why you assume I didn't look at why you did it?
    Because you didn't mention a single thing that was listed in the actual post. You basically made a blanket statement about something you didn't even comment on.
    I find your lack of humor disturbing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Quick (#16)
    Also, let's be clear @Sorry, do you agree with the post or not? I don't care if you think its Scummy for me to provide a pre-made post... You haven't actually argued why its Scummy, you've just said that it is because its a joke. I would like detailed reasons why what I did was Scummy as opposed why its NAI or Townie. Full thought process on this please, because I know I am Town and I know its not Scummy.
    I need to argue why a joke is a joke? I didn't sign up for this

    I don't have much to argue about your intro. You gave some basic guidelines that are pointless. I assume that since everyone is playing here, they are aware of the things you stated. So what was the point of that post? What did it offer to the thread?

    So your post per se, I don't find scummy, the fact that you're over reacting about a joke made on the first page that is alarming. Why do you react like that even to the mere mention of you being scummy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nachomamma8 (#33)
    Quote Originally Posted by TomKat (#30)
    I'm not going to provide a wall of text but I will policy lynch people who start overusing meta to try and scumhunt. I don't care that you've played with someone before or know how they play - we can't verify it and it's unreliable. It also just confuses the game as it brings in evidence which the rest of us don't have access to.
    We don't have room to policy lynch if four other towns failed to win without them. I also don't understand why you think meta is any less verifiable than "I think scum is more likely to do this"; I can link past games and show how accurate I am in reading someone and that seems like more definitive proof than most things in mafia.
    OK let's say the scenario is this:

    Nachomamma: "I know that Quick posts this way, he's being really scummy here"
    TomKat: "ok cool, I can't check that though?"
    Nachomamma: "it's fine, just trust me on this"
    TomKat: "errr ok"
    Quick gets lynched!
    Nachomamma: "haha! You fell for my devious plan! I'm mafia!"
    TomKat: "aw maaaaan"

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    Quick is very obvious town so far, don't like people telling him to dial back; can't help but feel that trying to police other people's playstyles is always a huge problem in cross-site games and it always seems to make working together harder (you're not really inclined to listen to a player who tells you that your approach to the game is terrible) so it would be nice to avoid that for once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomKat (#35)
    Quote Originally Posted by Nachomamma8 (#33)
    Quote Originally Posted by TomKat (#30)
    I'm not going to provide a wall of text but I will policy lynch people who start overusing meta to try and scumhunt. I don't care that you've played with someone before or know how they play - we can't verify it and it's unreliable. It also just confuses the game as it brings in evidence which the rest of us don't have access to.
    We don't have room to policy lynch if four other towns failed to win without them. I also don't understand why you think meta is any less verifiable than "I think scum is more likely to do this"; I can link past games and show how accurate I am in reading someone and that seems like more definitive proof than most things in mafia.
    OK let's say the scenario is this:

    Nachomamma: "I know that Quick posts this way, he's being really scummy here"
    TomKat: "ok cool, I can't check that though?"
    Nachomamma: "it's fine, just trust me on this"
    TomKat: "errr ok"
    Quick gets lynched!
    Nachomamma: "haha! You fell for my devious plan! I'm mafia!"
    TomKat: "aw maaaaan"
    If I have a meta-related reason for believing something, it will be based on a game on this site (jpeg) or a game on Mafiascum (Quick). You can view games as a guest on both of these sites, so I don't think that will be an issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorry (#34)
    So what was the point of that post? What did it offer to the thread?
    He's hoping to take a leading role in the game so that when it comes to the end he'll get some votes for being the 'best player'. He's already said something about this being important for his mafia career. It's just posturing and fluff to try to exert some control.

    ... Or maybe he just really really likes typing?

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    I will also explain my Quick read down the road - don't want to do so right now since I'd like to see where Sorry's line of questioning takes them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomKat (#29)
    The other champ games have all ended with a mafia win but in terms of probability, if it was just random votes each day, it should be nearer 50-50. I've only vaguely followed the other games - is there anything we can do as town to ensure we don't fall into a trap that those other players did? I played a practice game on here which finished today and one thing we did was put too much faith in people voting for mafia because it's one of the only true indicators we had to work with. The guy who won voted for both his media buddies, and was listed as the first voter on one of them on day 1.
    Well, I followed one game and the town performance was pretty poor. No team work, no strategy etc. Also, the fact that scums don't have PR makes it easier to bus. So I will suggest trying to work together and not relying too much to if someone voted a scum, in case we have some arguments against him/her. And of course we can all pray to our Lord and Savior, RNGus

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomKat (#27)
    Quote Originally Posted by Quick (#7)
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    Scummy behavior

    [LIST=1][*]Posting WAY too much - If you are taking up a large chunk of the total post in the thread you are posting way too much and are not allowing discussion from happening between many people that would otherwise have plenty to say about the game and to each other. This is mostly a problem if you are posting fluff, but if you have half the post in the game, you are going to need to relax a bit. I have been guilty of this on may occasions.
    Might want to ease back a bit there, dude... You've made about half the posts in the thread already
    I post a lot as Town and Scum. I have, before you made this post, clarified that I will let others post unless and do as they will as long as I am not the subject of discussion, hence why I am replying to your post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yandros (#28)
    Quote Originally Posted by Quick (#16)
    Also, let's be clear @Sorry, do you agree with the post or not? I don't care if you think its Scummy for me to provide a pre-made post... You haven't actually argued why its Scummy, you've just said that it is because its a joke. I would like detailed reasons why what I did was Scummy as opposed why its NAI or Townie. Full thought process on this please, because I know I am Town and I know its not Scummy.

    Well, first of all, sorry for my english. Perhaps is a point yo could be included in your list; if the language you use in the game is difficult for someone...perhaps thats the reason why his contribution aren´t so extensive than others.

    As a baseline, i think is interesting. But as you probably know, Each player has his own personality. I met people who always seem Scum, another who always seen Town...even People who always seem the opposite of what is
    I do not see malicious intent behind this post. This doesn't mean Yandros is Town, but it does mean he is actually looking at what I wrote in my initial post to see if it is valid or not, baring TomKat who basically just used my initial post to tell me to shut up. I don't consider what Sorry has said about my intitial post to be at all conducive to Scumhunting or really anything useful at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sorry (#34)
    Quote Originally Posted by Quick (#15)
    Quote Originally Posted by Sorry (#14)
    Quote Originally Posted by Quick (#12)
    How can it be Scummy if I did it before I got my role? Not arguing everything I did was before I got my role, but the majority of it was.

    Why is it Scummy? Why are you saying the fact of what I did is Scummy without looking at why I did it?
    Because it's a joke.

    Why you assume I didn't look at why you did it?
    Because you didn't mention a single thing that was listed in the actual post. You basically made a blanket statement about something you didn't even comment on.
    I find your lack of humor disturbing.
    I am not here to joke around, I am here to win a Mafia game and try to get myself further along in the process to becoming the best.

    Quote Originally Posted by Quick (#16)
    Also, let's be clear @Sorry, do you agree with the post or not? I don't care if you think its Scummy for me to provide a pre-made post... You haven't actually argued why its Scummy, you've just said that it is because its a joke. I would like detailed reasons why what I did was Scummy as opposed why its NAI or Townie. Full thought process on this please, because I know I am Town and I know its not Scummy.
    I need to argue why a joke is a joke? I didn't sign up for this

    I don't have much to argue about your intro. You gave some basic guidelines that are pointless. I assume that since everyone is playing here, they are aware of the things you stated. So what was the point of that post? What did it offer to the thread?

    So your post per se, I don't find scummy, the fact that you're over reacting about a joke made on the first page that is alarming. Why do you react like that even to the mere mention of you being scummy?[/QUOTE]

    I saw no indication that you are joking. No smiley face, no "J/K" nothing. When you said "because its a joke", I really thought you were saying what I posted was a joke. I actually don't know what is true at this point because while you argue you were making a joke on the one hand, on the other you are saying I made a pointless post as a serious comment. So how the hell was I supposed to know that you were joking when you gave no indication of that and then to further that you later say the post is pointless. Consider me confused if you are doing something Townie here. In short, its unreasonable for me to be able to understand that you were joking about the fact that you said pre-made posts are Scummy all the while holding the opinion that I made a pointless posts. Because of this conundrum, you are my first Scum read based on not explaining yourself in a manner which is understandable and upon closer inspection, looks to be a contradiction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quick (#41)
    Quote Originally Posted by TomKat (#27)
    Quote Originally Posted by Quick (#7)
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    Scummy behavior

    [LIST=1][*]Posting WAY too much - If you are taking up a large chunk of the total post in the thread you are posting way too much and are not allowing discussion from happening between many people that would otherwise have plenty to say about the game and to each other. This is mostly a problem if you are posting fluff, but if you have half the post in the game, you are going to need to relax a bit. I have been guilty of this on may occasions.
    Might want to ease back a bit there, dude... You've made about half the posts in the thread already
    I post a lot as Town and Scum. I have, before you made this post, clarified that I will let others post unless and do as they will as long as I am not the subject of discussion, hence why I am replying to your post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yandros (#28)
    Quote Originally Posted by Quick (#16)
    Also, let's be clear @Sorry, do you agree with the post or not? I don't care if you think its Scummy for me to provide a pre-made post... You haven't actually argued why its Scummy, you've just said that it is because its a joke. I would like detailed reasons why what I did was Scummy as opposed why its NAI or Townie. Full thought process on this please, because I know I am Town and I know its not Scummy.

    Well, first of all, sorry for my english. Perhaps is a point yo could be included in your list; if the language you use in the game is difficult for someone...perhaps thats the reason why his contribution aren´t so extensive than others.

    As a baseline, i think is interesting. But as you probably know, Each player has his own personality. I met people who always seem Scum, another who always seen Town...even People who always seem the opposite of what is
    I do not see malicious intent behind this post. This doesn't mean Yandros is Town, but it does mean he is actually looking at what I wrote in my initial post to see if it is valid or not, baring TomKat who basically just used my initial post to tell me to shut up. I don't consider what Sorry has said about my intitial post to be at all conducive to Scumhunting or really anything useful at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sorry (#34)
    Quote Originally Posted by Quick (#15)
    Quote Originally Posted by Sorry (#14)
    Because it's a joke.

    Why you assume I didn't look at why you did it?
    Because you didn't mention a single thing that was listed in the actual post. You basically made a blanket statement about something you didn't even comment on.
    I find your lack of humor disturbing.
    I am not here to joke around, I am here to win a Mafia game and try to get myself further along in the process to becoming the best.


    Quote Originally Posted by Sorry (#34)
    Quote Originally Posted by Quick (#16)
    Also, let's be clear @Sorry, do you agree with the post or not? I don't care if you think its Scummy for me to provide a pre-made post... You haven't actually argued why its Scummy, you've just said that it is because its a joke. I would like detailed reasons why what I did was Scummy as opposed why its NAI or Townie. Full thought process on this please, because I know I am Town and I know its not Scummy.
    I need to argue why a joke is a joke? I didn't sign up for this

    I don't have much to argue about your intro. You gave some basic guidelines that are pointless. I assume that since everyone is playing here, they are aware of the things you stated. So what was the point of that post? What did it offer to the thread?

    So your post per se, I don't find scummy, the fact that you're over reacting about a joke made on the first page that is alarming. Why do you react like that even to the mere mention of you being scummy?
    I saw no indication that you are joking. No smiley face, no "J/K" nothing. When you said "because its a joke", I really thought you were saying what I posted was a joke. I actually don't know what is true at this point because while you argue you were making a joke on the one hand, on the other you are saying I made a pointless post as a serious comment. So how the hell was I supposed to know that you were joking when you gave no indication of that and then to further that you later say the post is pointless. Consider me confused if you are doing something Townie here. In short, its unreasonable for me to be able to understand that you were joking about the fact that you said pre-made posts are Scummy all the while holding the opinion that I made a pointless posts. Because of this conundrum, you are my first Scum read based on not explaining yourself in a manner which is understandable and upon closer inspection, looks to be a contradiction. You are also dismissing the issue completely by saying what you have said is a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorry (#34)
    Quote Originally Posted by Quick (#16)
    Also, let's be clear @Sorry, do you agree with the post or not? I don't care if you think its Scummy for me to provide a pre-made post... You haven't actually argued why its Scummy, you've just said that it is because its a joke. I would like detailed reasons why what I did was Scummy as opposed why its NAI or Townie. Full thought process on this please, because I know I am Town and I know its not Scummy.
    I need to argue why a joke is a joke? I didn't sign up for this

    I don't have much to argue about your intro. You gave some basic guidelines that are pointless. I assume that since everyone is playing here, they are aware of the things you stated. So what was the point of that post? What did it offer to the thread?

    So your post per se, I don't find scummy, the fact that you're over reacting about a joke made on the first page that is alarming. Why do you react like that even to the mere mention of you being scummy?
    I also consider this a form of AtE.
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    Quick, is there a reason you haven't said anything to me/acknowledged my existence yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nachomamma8 (#44)
    Quick, is there a reason you haven't said anything to me/acknowledged my existence yet?
    As you saw in our last game, I am not going to Town read you or Scum read you very strongly until I can be more sure due to simple fact of my being paranoid about Town reading a competent Scum player.

    Your first posts I was trying to tell if it was more Townie or more Scummy coming from you and I still can't decide which, naturally. The reason for this is that I can see it as a Town perspective based on trying to be proactive about finding weak Scum players, but I can also see it as Scummy considering you make no mention of the drama that had already happened ITT regarding what I posteda and Sorry's response, so I was also wondering why you hadn't said anything about me as well until later (IDK if you can call it later in the game at this point because its early). You made a few other post that I felt I could address that I thought were not super well thought out Ex. Policy lynches ensure the mistake is not made again in the game. But apart from gut, you are going to be a player I will prolly try to take my time reading, considering I know that you play at a very high level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quick (#45)
    Quote Originally Posted by Nachomamma8 (#44)
    Quick, is there a reason you haven't said anything to me/acknowledged my existence yet?
    As you saw in our last game, I am not going to Town read you or Scum read you very strongly until I can be more sure due to simple fact of my being paranoid about Town reading a competent Scum player.

    Your first posts I was trying to tell if it was more Townie or more Scummy coming from you and I still can't decide which, naturally. The reason for this is that I can see it as a Town perspective based on trying to be proactive about finding weak Scum players, but I can also see it as Scummy considering you make no mention of the drama that had already happened ITT regarding what I posteda and Sorry's response, so I was also wondering why you hadn't said anything about me as well until later (IDK if you can call it later in the game at this point because its early). You made a few other post that I felt I could address that I thought were not super well thought out Ex. Policy lynches ensure the mistake is not made again in the game. But apart from gut, you are going to be a player I will prolly try to take my time reading, considering I know that you play at a very high level.
    This prolly doesn't answer your question tho. I generally don't engage with people right away who I fee it will take me awhile to get a good read on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quick (#46)
    Quote Originally Posted by Quick (#45)
    Quote Originally Posted by Nachomamma8 (#44)
    Quick, is there a reason you haven't said anything to me/acknowledged my existence yet?
    As you saw in our last game, I am not going to Town read you or Scum read you very strongly until I can be more sure due to simple fact of my being paranoid about Town reading a competent Scum player.

    Your first posts I was trying to tell if it was more Townie or more Scummy coming from you and I still can't decide which, naturally. The reason for this is that I can see it as a Town perspective based on trying to be proactive about finding weak Scum players, but I can also see it as Scummy considering you make no mention of the drama that had already happened ITT regarding what I posteda and Sorry's response, so I was also wondering why you hadn't said anything about me as well until later (IDK if you can call it later in the game at this point because its early). You made a few other post that I felt I could address that I thought were not super well thought out Ex. Policy lynches ensure the mistake is not made again in the game. But apart from gut, you are going to be a player I will prolly try to take my time reading, considering I know that you play at a very high level.
    This prolly doesn't answer your question tho. I generally don't engage with people right away who I fee it will take me awhile to get a good read on.
    I also have an easier time reading "punchy players" who are more emotional, that's why I engage with them more at the beginning - because I feel I can sort them sooner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quick (#41)
    Quote Originally Posted by TomKat (#27)
    Quote Originally Posted by Quick (#7)
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    [LIST=1][*]Posting WAY too much - If you are taking up a large chunk of the total post in the thread you are posting way too much and are not allowing discussion from happening between many people that would otherwise have plenty to say about the game and to each other. This is mostly a problem if you are posting fluff, but if you have half the post in the game, you are going to need to relax a bit. I have been guilty of this on may occasions.
    Might want to ease back a bit there, dude... You've made about half the posts in the thread already
    I post a lot as Town and Scum. I have, before you made this post, clarified that I will let others post unless and do as they will as long as I am not the subject of discussion, hence why I am replying to your post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yandros (#28)
    Quote Originally Posted by Quick (#16)
    Also, let's be clear @Sorry, do you agree with the post or not? I don't care if you think its Scummy for me to provide a pre-made post... You haven't actually argued why its Scummy, you've just said that it is because its a joke. I would like detailed reasons why what I did was Scummy as opposed why its NAI or Townie. Full thought process on this please, because I know I am Town and I know its not Scummy.

    Well, first of all, sorry for my english. Perhaps is a point yo could be included in your list; if the language you use in the game is difficult for someone...perhaps thats the reason why his contribution aren´t so extensive than others.

    As a baseline, i think is interesting. But as you probably know, Each player has his own personality. I met people who always seem Scum, another who always seen Town...even People who always seem the opposite of what is
    I do not see malicious intent behind this post. This doesn't mean Yandros is Town, but it does mean he is actually looking at what I wrote in my initial post to see if it is valid or not, baring TomKat who basically just used my initial post to tell me to shut up. I don't consider what Sorry has said about my intitial post to be at all conducive to Scumhunting or really anything useful at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sorry (#34)
    Quote Originally Posted by Quick (#15)
    Quote Originally Posted by Sorry (#14)
    Because it's a joke.

    Why you assume I didn't look at why you did it?
    Because you didn't mention a single thing that was listed in the actual post. You basically made a blanket statement about something you didn't even comment on.
    I find your lack of humor disturbing.
    I am not here to joke around, I am here to win a Mafia game and try to get myself further along in the process to becoming the best.

    Quote Originally Posted by Quick (#16)
    Also, let's be clear @Sorry, do you agree with the post or not? I don't care if you think its Scummy for me to provide a pre-made post... You haven't actually argued why its Scummy, you've just said that it is because its a joke. I would like detailed reasons why what I did was Scummy as opposed why its NAI or Townie. Full thought process on this please, because I know I am Town and I know its not Scummy.
    I need to argue why a joke is a joke? I didn't sign up for this

    I don't have much to argue about your intro. You gave some basic guidelines that are pointless. I assume that since everyone is playing here, they are aware of the things you stated. So what was the point of that post? What did it offer to the thread?

    So your post per se, I don't find scummy, the fact that you're over reacting about a joke made on the first page that is alarming. Why do you react like that even to the mere mention of you being scummy?

    I saw no indication that you are joking. No smiley face, no "J/K" nothing. When you said "because its a joke", I really thought you were saying what I posted was a joke. I actually don't know what is true at this point because while you argue you were making a joke on the one hand, on the other you are saying I made a pointless post as a serious comment. So how the hell was I supposed to know that you were joking when you gave no indication of that and then to further that you later say the post is pointless. Consider me confused if you are doing something Townie here. In short, its unreasonable for me to be able to understand that you were joking about the fact that you said pre-made posts are Scummy all the while holding the opinion that I made a pointless posts. Because of this conundrum, you are my first Scum read based on not explaining yourself in a manner which is understandable and upon closer inspection, looks to be a contradiction.

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    But there's no fun in that!

    What confuses you so​ much, i am confused.
    My reply to you was a joke because that was the best reply that post inspired.

    Your post is pointless because it didn't offer anything towards solving the game. You stated some 101 mafia guidelines, stated what you find scummy/townie, which is pretty much what every reasonable person would find scummy/townie. You could have made that post as town and scum. It's not alignment indicative, it doesn't offer any groundbreaking methods to achieve victory, it doesn't tell me much about your playstyle. So it's pointless.
    The fact that you're over reacting to my reply - a joke to a non alignment indicative post - makes me think that your intentions might not be as pure as you like to present them.
    If you deem all this non townie, well too bad for you cause that's how I play.
    I like how you completely skipped all my questions and gave exactly 0 replies to everything i asked.
    I expect a reply to those soon.

    I liked Tomcat's input so far, tone seems genuine. Early leans before bedtime.

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    Cool

    Don't have an avatar yet, will fix that by tomorrow so apologies for making my behaviour harder to remember, or maybe that's the plan!!!!!

    Don't agree with the Sorry vote to be honest. Although i agree their first post didn't seem like an obvious joke, I wouldn't have ever taken it 100% serious, and for Sorry to create confrontation with their first post is something mafia should be avoiding.

    Unless a Quick/Sorry wolf pairing is happening and they've planned 'arguing' to leech early town points off each other, I don't have much else to go on - but lol I doubt it because it could be progressing so much more.

    And yeah quick is posting an excessive amount, setting a hard pace for himself to keep up and if he's mafia he'll be an easy catch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quick (#47)
    Quote Originally Posted by Quick (#46)
    Quote Originally Posted by Quick (#45)
    Quote Originally Posted by Nachomamma8 (#44)
    Quick, is there a reason you haven't said anything to me/acknowledged my existence yet?
    As you saw in our last game, I am not going to Town read you or Scum read you very strongly until I can be more sure due to simple fact of my being paranoid about Town reading a competent Scum player.

    Your first posts I was trying to tell if it was more Townie or more Scummy coming from you and I still can't decide which, naturally. The reason for this is that I can see it as a Town perspective based on trying to be proactive about finding weak Scum players, but I can also see it as Scummy considering you make no mention of the drama that had already happened ITT regarding what I posteda and Sorry's response, so I was also wondering why you hadn't said anything about me as well until later (IDK if you can call it later in the game at this point because its early). You made a few other post that I felt I could address that I thought were not super well thought out Ex. Policy lynches ensure the mistake is not made again in the game. But apart from gut, you are going to be a player I will prolly try to take my time reading, considering I know that you play at a very high level.
    This prolly doesn't answer your question tho. I generally don't engage with people right away who I fee it will take me awhile to get a good read on.
    I also have an easier time reading "punchy players" who are more emotional, that's why I engage with them more at the beginning - because I feel I can sort them sooner.
    wow look, Sorry, he called you punchy !!!

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Mafia Universe is a community hub for people who enjoy playing the forum variant of Mafia (also known as Werewolf). We offer fully automated Mafia games and a wide variety of customized features crafted to optimize your game experience. We also proudly host the Internet's only database of Mafia/Werewolf communities.

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Role of the Day
Wildcard

The Wildcard may target someone each night and use a random power on them still left in the game, randomly selected from any other power role in the game. If there are no other power roles left in the game, then the Wildcard's action does nothing.